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  • No, I don't need more carbs.

    My glucose level was stable for about 7 years with Metformin - ~120. In the last few months, it has shot way up, >200, despite taking more Metformin. Several nice people here in MDA have suggested I have become physiologically insulin resistant and should eat lots of carbs for several days.

    I had lots of fun eating 150+ grams of carbs for 3 days - potatoes, white rice, bananas, etc. The result was to push my glucose to 350+. So I ended that experiment.
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    How about more steak?

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    • #3
      Thats a nice declaration and all, but I'm not sure I would put much stock into a 3 day experiment. The body is resilient, but 3 days of bumping up carbs is really too short to be effective or conclusive for someone who has been long term LC and diabetic. To know for sure if it is physiological IR, an A1c should be more revealing. if your a1c is also higher, you can rule out simple PIR. If you really think PIR could be the issue, I would suggest incorporating more carbs slowly. Overwhelming your body is only going to create more problems, as you experienced.
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      • #4
        White rice was a truly terrible choice for your experiment. I'm not saying it would have necessarily worked otherwise, but don't eat white rice if you have issues with blood sugar.

        If you feel like trying again, which you probably don't, eat beans, plantains, mango, sweet potato and quinoa.
        Last edited by Timthetaco; 06-16-2014, 09:07 PM.

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        • #5
          Thanks all. No, not willing to experiment more. I had been trying getting a few more carbs. So far as I can see, my carbs and glucose are in a completely linear relationship.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hedonist2 View Post
            No, not willing to experiment more. I had been trying getting a few more carbs. So far as I can see, my carbs and glucose are in a completely linear relationship.
            Thumbs up for common sense.

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            • #7
              your post made me actually wince, hedonist

              i have enough diabetic relatives that i wish i could have said 'hey wait, no' before you tried it
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              yeah you are

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              • #8
                You're a smart guy, Hedonist2. Nobody needs a ton of carbs. A little is fine. If you are feeling good, you're good.
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                • #9
                  People should not be giving a diabetic advice if they have no personal experience with it.

                  If indeed you are interested in experimenting with your ability (or not) to tolerate carbs - upping them in increments of 10 grams a day or so would be the best approach. Once your sugar stabalizes (if it does) on the increased carb dose, move up another small increment.
                  What have you done today to make you feel Proud?

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                  • #10
                    You might have over done it a bit, me thinks. I just recently pulled a 5.0 A1c (from a peak of 9.9), after slowly reintroducing carbohydrate(now to the tune of nearly 250 a day), and lowering fat a bit. Try to slowly add them back (20-50g at a time) in a couple weeks maybe?

                    edit: I'm not on metformin anymore.

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                    • #11
                      I bumped carbs up to ~150 because people in MDA recommended it. Again, I had already tried getting going from ~50 up to ~75. That just increased my glucose. As for waiting for A1C1, I can't get that until late July.

                      So, no, I'm not experimenting with more carbs. I am trying getting less fat, especially dairy. I remember now that I bumped up dairy some when nephrologist told me the only way to eat high oxalate foods (to avoid kidney stones) was to get calcium at the same time. He said Tums, which I won't do, but I decided to get it naturally from dairy. (I suppose now I will get replies saying that oxalates don't cause kidney stones. There is some scientific and lots of clinical evidence that they do, and so far as I know, no evidence that they don't.) I may need to sometimes take a bit of calcium with oxalate foods.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hedonist2 View Post
                        My glucose level was stable for about 7 years with Metformin - ~120. In the last few months, it has shot way up, >200, despite taking more Metformin.
                        Thanks for sharing. What was your diet like during that time that BG shot up to >200? It sounds like you were maybe eating ~50-75g carbs at the time, yes? Were you trying to lose weight when you were eating ~50g carbs?
                        Last edited by Paleophil; 06-17-2014, 07:08 PM.
                        Originally posted by tatertot
                        Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong.
                        "our ancestors obtained resistant starch and other fermentable fibers by eating a diversity of wild plant foods, bulbs, corms, tubers, cattails, cactuses, and medicinal barks..." -Mark Sisson

                        "I've long ago tossed the idea that a particular macro ratio is poison, and am now starting to think that the EM2…is defined less by novel NADS…and more by the gut microbiome and environmental pseudocommensals ..." -Kurt Harris, MD

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                        • #13
                          What was your diet like during that time that BG shot up to >200? It sounds like you were maybe eating ~50-75g carbs at the time, yes? Were you trying to lose weight when you were eating ~50g carbs?
                          Thanks.
                          Carbs varied, avg about 75.
                          The 50 carbs was after the BG shot up, to lower it.
                          I have been trying to lose weight the whole time I have been on primal and have lost a lot. Wasn't weighing at heaviest but have gone from size 46 baggy pants to 40 slim. Obviously a ways to go.
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                          • #14
                            > "My glucose level was stable for about 7 years with Metformin - ~120. In the last few months, it has shot way up, >200, despite taking more Metformin. Several nice people here in MDA have suggested I have become physiologically insulin resistant and should eat lots of carbs for several days.

                            I had lots of fun eating 150+ grams of carbs for 3 days - potatoes, white rice, bananas, etc. The result was to push my glucose to 350+."

                            > "I bumped carbs up to ~150 because people in MDA recommended it. Again, I had already tried getting going from ~50 up to ~75. That just increased my glucose."

                            > "The 50 carbs was after the BG shot up, to lower it."
                            It sounds like your experience was similar to mine, but I'm not sure, because I don't quite understand your timeline yet. Can you fill in the blanks and correct any misunderstandings in this timeline please?

                            BG stable at ~120 for about 7 years with Metformin and eating __ grams of carbs per day.
                            BG shot up in the last few months to >200 while eating an avg of __ grams of carbs per day, despite taking more Metformin
                            Lowered carb intake to ~50 g/day with __ results
                            Increased carbs to ~75 g/day with __ results
                            Increased carbs to ~150 g/day with the result being BG of 350+

                            Also, what was the BG measure--fasting, post-meal, random, or ___ and how many BG measurements were you doing?
                            Last edited by Paleophil; 06-19-2014, 04:19 AM.
                            Originally posted by tatertot
                            Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong.
                            "our ancestors obtained resistant starch and other fermentable fibers by eating a diversity of wild plant foods, bulbs, corms, tubers, cattails, cactuses, and medicinal barks..." -Mark Sisson

                            "I've long ago tossed the idea that a particular macro ratio is poison, and am now starting to think that the EM2…is defined less by novel NADS…and more by the gut microbiome and environmental pseudocommensals ..." -Kurt Harris, MD

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Paleophil View Post
                              It sounds like your experience was similar to mine, but I'm not sure, because I don't quite understand your timeline yet. Can you fill in the blanks and correct any misunderstandings in this timeline please?

                              BG stable at ~120 for about 7 years with Metformin and eating __ grams of carbs per day.
                              BG shot up in the last few months to >200 while eating an avg of __ grams of carbs per day, despite taking more Metformin
                              Lowered carb intake to ~50 g/day with __ results
                              Increased carbs to ~75 g/day with __ results
                              Increased carbs to ~150 g/day with the result being BG of 350+

                              Also, what was the BG measure--fasting, post-meal, random, or ___ and how many BG measurements were you doing?
                              Thanks. BG seems to be coming down from less fat and dairy.

                              >>BG stable at ~120 for about 7 years with Metformin and eating __ grams of carbs per day.

                              All over the place. Doing "healthy" conventional nutrition and meds for 3 years.

                              Sort of doing Primal for a couple years. ("I'm not giving up potatoes, rice or tortillas, dang it." Sometimes eating potatoes 3X/day.)

                              Eating about 90% for a couple years. About 75 grams carb/day. Sometimes less, sometimes lots more.

                              BG shot up while still eating about 75.

                              Lowered carbs to ~50 with some decrease in BG. Increased to 75 with some increase in BG. (I should really keep a journal.)

                              I normally eat a protein breakfast early and measure around noon. But sometimes a measure when I get up or at other times during the day. Usually measure once a day, but up to 4X.
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