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    So, I have been eating primal for about 2 months now. Everything is going great. My family eats some of what I do, but often lots of grain and other non-primal foods. The question is: if you are not eating primal should you still use full fat food? Should they be eating eggs cooked in butter like I do or with an oil based spray? Should they not use full fat greek yogurt for a berry smoothy?

    Sorry if this has already been asked - I am horrible with the search function!

    Thanks!

  • #2
    Probably not, if they are still eating grains and sweets and what not, they are triggering an insulin response that will make them store all that yummy butter around their bellies.
    "I know what my body needs and what it can handle. There's no better way to achieve my goal than what im doing now. If my regimen leads to my death, be it in six days or six months...I will die fullfiled. The outcome is irrelavent so long as i steer towards my fate. If death is to be my prize, i welcome it with open arms."

    "A pound of meat a day keeps the doctor away"

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    • #3
      Well I assume you're only cooking evening meals for them, and to me it seems like evening meals are dominated by produce even on a standard diet, with some meat some veggies/salad and some bread/rice/potatoes. Just make sure the last category doesn't become the main part of the meal and including fat shouldn't be an issue. I'll also note that P/C/F ratios of 30/40/30 are a lot healthier than 20/70/10 <--- these 10% are usually made up of trans fats etc in "low fat" items.

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      • #4
        I'd rather OD on grains than consume a single nano gram of hydrogenated oils or trans fats. cept for the one found naturally in meat.
        "I know what my body needs and what it can handle. There's no better way to achieve my goal than what im doing now. If my regimen leads to my death, be it in six days or six months...I will die fullfiled. The outcome is irrelavent so long as i steer towards my fate. If death is to be my prize, i welcome it with open arms."

        "A pound of meat a day keeps the doctor away"

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        • #5
          The way I understood is, from reading TPB, was that increased levels of insulin (from increased carb consumption) would direct any fat absored to go straight into fat cells, instead of being burned/used as fuel.

          So an increase in fat consumption, while eating non-primal, would increase weight, health issues, etc.

          FYI - This is how I understand it, but I could be wrong.

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          • #6
            If there is no insulin resistance, massive systemic inflammation, nutrient deficiency, thyroid problem, etc then it doesn't matter how much fat and carbs a person eats (except for polyunsaturated fats and non-fiber bound fructose). If they do have a bit of the good ol' metabolic syndrome and they're eating grains, they're fucked anyway so might as well eat some yummy fat while they die slowly.
            Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

            Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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            • #7
              I agree with Stabby. My husband is not primal, he still eats a serving of grains (Bob's red mill cereal) each day and refuses to give that up. He has however enjoyed consuming the meals I prepare with grass fed beef, vegetables cooked in butter and coconut oil and fried eggs in butter. He hasn't gained an ounce and has no insulin problems.

              I think the problem is that many people who consume fat and carbohydrates together (as in SAD) tend to kick up the insulin response or consume unhealthy fats (like trans fats or corn oil) or unhealthy carbs like refined white flour.

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              • #8
                can the metabolic syndrome be reversed?
                "I know what my body needs and what it can handle. There's no better way to achieve my goal than what im doing now. If my regimen leads to my death, be it in six days or six months...I will die fullfiled. The outcome is irrelavent so long as i steer towards my fate. If death is to be my prize, i welcome it with open arms."

                "A pound of meat a day keeps the doctor away"

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                • #9
                  Yes, absolutely. The general low carb, low inflammation, low neolithic poison, high nutrient, good exercise, etc is a good place to start. I'm no expert in healing, but I do know that basical paleo/primal works wonders. Look at Griff. Give him another year and a bit and compare before and after.
                  Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                  Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                  • #10
                    nice, there is hope for our people yet!
                    "I know what my body needs and what it can handle. There's no better way to achieve my goal than what im doing now. If my regimen leads to my death, be it in six days or six months...I will die fullfiled. The outcome is irrelavent so long as i steer towards my fate. If death is to be my prize, i welcome it with open arms."

                    "A pound of meat a day keeps the doctor away"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Egoldstein View Post
                      I agree with Stabby. My husband is not primal, he still eats a serving of grains (Bob's red mill cereal) each day and refuses to give that up. He has however enjoyed consuming the meals I prepare with grass fed beef, vegetables cooked in butter and coconut oil and fried eggs in butter. He hasn't gained an ounce and has no insulin problems.

                      I think the problem is that many people who consume fat and carbohydrates together (as in SAD) tend to kick up the insulin response or consume unhealthy fats (like trans fats or corn oil) or unhealthy carbs like refined white flour.
                      I thought consuming fat with carbs slowed the insulin response - which is CW recommends consuming all micro-nutrients when you eat??

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                      • #12
                        Thanks for all the replies. I guess I was just hoping that having a bit more fat - say the around 30% instead of 10% - would reduce hunger swings and lower the insulin response.

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                        • #13
                          I can only reply based on my own experience. I do think having fat closer to 30% is a healthier diet. Before I went primal, I was eating about 30-40% healthy fats with some grains and legumes and this was far better for me that a low fat, high carb diet. However, on the point of adding fats to slow down insulin response, this is not really the case for me. I have specific trigger foods (white flour, bananas, potatoes) that no amount of fat will avoid triggering an insulin response. If I chased those trigger carbs with fat, I would simply put on more bodyfat. What helps is to lower the amount of the offending carbs. [Interestingly, I don't have this effect with vegetables or some other fruits].

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                          • #14
                            Truth. Low fat is never healthy, it's starvation. The rationale behind cutting out the fat so you secrete less insulin is the equivalent to eating nothing so you secrete less insulin. But really, if this is a problem at all, they shouldn't be eating lots of carbs. A healthy person does just fine on 40% fat 30% carbs, 30% protein or something like that, a little more insulin isn't a bad thing as long as it goes down and doesn't stay elevated.
                            Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                            Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                            • #15
                              I've been educating my mum on healthy eating (unfortunately she loves the traditional indian food she grew up on, eg rice, lentils, beans, curries, potaotes etc, and isnt a huge fan of meat) but she has cut way down on sugary snacks/desserts (though she does cheat occasionally, and i tell her off for that :P ) and ive got her eating full fat yogurt, elimiated the veg oils and replaced with ghee and coconut oil, pretty much eliminated gluten (except for now and then) and she snacks on nuts and cheese, and aims to eat fish at least once a week. She also tries to eat more lentils etc compared to grains as they were slightly lower carb and higher protein.
                              So basically, she is still eating a fairly high carb diet, with grains and legumes, but eating more fat than she used to...and she has actually lost weight! (and tells me she feels alot healthier)
                              So i reckon its better to have good healthy fat even if you're still eating neolithic foods, as they're vital for health, and more fat replaces some carb, which is always a good thing!

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