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  • #16
    Also if you have not listened to Daniel Vitalis yet you need to! He is unbelievably intelligent.

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    • #17
      There are lots of ways of being vegan and lots of variables like supplementation (ex. protein or B12), quality of food, toxicity of "vegetable oils, improperly prepared grains or legumes, etc.

      I did "OK" on a vegan diet for about 6 months -- but had to be really careful of what I ate and supplemented with protein and vitamins. I lost a lot of weight and from the outside people thought I looked healthier. However, suspect that my lean mass was taking a hit. When I added fish, meat and eggs and started excluding wheat, legumes, soy my strength, energy levels and body composition improved quickly.

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      • #18
        Thanks yes - Daniel Vitalis. Funny enough I listened to him when raw; he was raw vegan at that time - into spring water and chocolate/elixirs. Then he crossed over to his rewilding and meat eating and I initially found that quite distasteful.

        When I became dissatisfied with veganism, he was one of the voices I listened to that helped bridge my fear of expanding my diet. For me he has a very broad and connected understanding of natural lifestyle.

        Miata, my experience as a vegan mirrors yours, I was especially bothered about the supplementation; it seemed bonkers that such an ideal diet would require such heavy help.
        Last edited by Neeleh; 04-22-2014, 10:53 AM.
        Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air
        Ralph Waldo Emerson

        Journal: Vibrant Life

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        • #19
          You didn't lack yang so much as you lacked thyroid hormones, I'd be willing to bet. Yang energy isn't so much a thing - yin either, for that matter. It is possible they were fortunate enough to get more iodine than you were, which is a big factor in thyroid function. Or I could be completely wrong.

          While I've got you, what is this "deep philosophy" you mention? The most I have seen supporting raw veganism tends to be some pretty thin pseudoscience.

          M.

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          • #20
            This is one of those topics that just make me angry. My cousin is raw vegan. She's had five children. Her first was a still birth two days before her due date. Next was a normal pregnancy but the little boy has learning disabilities. Next was another boy, also with learning disabilities. Next a girl who had to have surgery immediately after birth for intestinal issues. And now her last boy who also had to have surgery at two months for a hernia. After her experience I just don't see how this diet is healthy. If you want to experiment on yourself that is fine, but don't do it while pregnant and expect good long term results. And don't do it to your children as they are going up.

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            • #21
              M - you may be correct about iodine, it was not tested at that time. I was deficient in something, for sure! If you are of a scientific-rational outlook, then much of what I write may appear to be nonsense

              The deep philosophy of raw veganism, I'll have a go at explaining that *gulp* Anyone else fancy a shot at this??

              I know a lot of raw vegans. Many/all of them are spiritually orientated. By which I mean they acknowledge and operate from a belief system that includes the idea of the unseen being as important as the material. And the influence of the spiritual on the material, and vice versa.

              Exploring ideas of a conscious universe that emits an energy frequency (love? God?) that we might align with through spiritual practice, natural lifestyle - going back to the garden. Knowing that everything is sacred and desiring to experience the sacredness available in every moment.

              Food is a huge piece of it. The idea is that the more simple and unaffected our dietary choices, the greater the benefits to health and consciousness. By eating raw plant foods we absorb their light frequencies and uplevel our cells and our thought processes become aligned with the univeral consciousness - love.

              It is believed that a dense, cooked animal flesh diet dulls consciousness and prohibits spiritual awareness. Accordingly, a light, 'pure' diet = spiritual advancement. For some, this ultimately leads to existing on pure consciousness, life force itself - prana through inedia (breatharianism)

              The book I would recommend for a more erudite and thorough treatment of these concepts is this one. It's a highly inspirational read, but may be too 'out there' for some. Viktoras co-founded the original Hippocrates Institute with Ann Wigmore.

              Jenna, I'm so sorry to hear of your sister's experiences. I can understand your feelings about the diet. That's hard.
              Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air
              Ralph Waldo Emerson

              Journal: Vibrant Life

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              • #22
                Do these super-next-level-spiritual vegans do drugs? namely weed and mushrooms? Sounds like mushrooms at least would be right up their alley... god rest ye, merry vegans.
                I used to seriously post here, now I prefer to troll.

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                • #23
                  I appreciate you writing out the ideas behind the philosophy of raw veganism. I can see how it would be appealing to people and I don't think think eating a significant quantity of raw foods is necessarily bad, but there are a lot of nutritional problems with it. Not to mention some people just can't handle raw foods (plant matter) very well. Cooking helps a lot with that. I firmly believe that foregoing any animal meat or product in one's diet is detrimental to achievement of optimal health (over time). Homo sapiens are omnivores and I doubt there is anything out there that could convince me otherwise.

                  I worry that people who believe they're reaching some kind of spiritual enlightenment through eating only raw plant matter are actually suffering from several nutritional deficits and are very ill. It sounds like living in a fever dream.
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                  • #24
                    Have you read Death by Food Pyramid? That book goes into the ways we can be different... For instance, some people have a gene that makes their bodies very efficient at using fat. They do badly on a high fat diet, a leaner version of paleo/primal is called for. Other people have very little amylase. If they try to eat a high starch/vegetarian diet, they will crash and burn. We're all different, it's just how life is.
                    Out of context quote for the day:

                    Clearly Gorbag is so awesome he should be cloned, reproducing in the normal manner would only dilute his awesomeness. - Urban Forager

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                    • #25
                      Wildrose Agree! The matter of individual constitution is really important. I will check out that book, thanks for the recommend.

                      Namelesswonder It's frequently said that you can't eat your way to enlightenment! As you say, the matter of digestibility and individual constitution means that cooked food may be a better choice for some. I like a big salad at lunch, but cooked veg in the evening (and plenty of it!) There are a lot of former vegans out there - who have faced dietary deficiency - myself included.

                      Originally posted by iniQuity View Post
                      Do these super-next-level-spiritual vegans do drugs? namely weed and mushrooms? Sounds like mushrooms at least would be right up their alley... god rest ye, merry vegans.
                      Live in the sunshine, swim the sea, drink the wild air
                      Ralph Waldo Emerson

                      Journal: Vibrant Life

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                      • #26
                        Neeleh, you are correct. That does sound like nonsense to me. But that's ok; we have come into the world to work together.

                        M.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Neeleh View Post
                          The book I would recommend for a more erudite and thorough treatment of these concepts is this one. It's a highly inspirational read, but may be too 'out there' for some. Viktoras co-founded the original Hippocrates Institute with Ann Wigmore.

                          Jenna, I'm so sorry to hear of your sister's experiences. I can understand your feelings about the diet. That's hard.
                          No offense to anyone but, damn, I thought I was looking at a My Little Pony VHS from the 80s or something. Find a graphic artist or something.

                          Originally posted by iniQuity
                          I worry that people who believe they're reaching some kind of spiritual enlightenment through eating only raw plant matter are actually suffering from several nutritional deficits and are very ill. It sounds like living in a fever dream.
                          That was my first thought, mistaking starving for enlightenment. Of course, I'm not doubting that some of these people ARE spiritual. It's also easy to be spiritual living in a hut on the coast of Costa Rica. But I think they start from a place of "I'm enlightened", starve, and then backwards engineer why they're feeling so enlightened.

                          Anyone who knows people that take hunting seriously know the spiritual aspect of taking an animals life and how revered the animal is in that practice. The idea that, say, the native americans were less spiritually enlightened than frubivores because they ate buffalo is patently offensive to me.

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                          • #28
                            Yes, driving them off cliffs en masse. A minority of the serious hunters I have ever known show any kind of special respect towards the animal they kill. My experience doesn't dictate the whole, however.

                            Remember that starvation/dehydration for "spiritual enlightenment" was a practice in some native American groups. As was out and out drug use.

                            M.

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                            • #29
                              Veganism is still In The TESTING stage! It's very new to society. You are definitely taking chances here

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                              • #30
                                Human beings are omnivorous and opportunistic- we can live on a wide variety of edibles. It's quite possible that she's thriving on a raw vegan diet just like some people here appear to be thriving on a strictly carnivorous diet. It takes all kinds, and we shouldn't be threatened by other people who live, think, and eat differently than we do.
                                Love, peace, and bacon grease.

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