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    A gym... Sista... was talking today about how she drinks a casein shake before bed to prevent muscle breakdown overnight to get protein for the body. Is this maybe something that's only an issue on a low protein diet or maybe a glycogen thing? I've seen a lot of paleo folks who eat their carbs later in the day for better sleep and glycogen. Makes sense? Bros, teach me your science.

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    Broscience 101:

    Nutrient timing is minutiae. The most important thing is to get the right amount of the right muscle building blocks overall. If you've got that 100% sorted, then and only then:

    Congratulations. You're probably seeing fantastic body composition successes already. Now you can dial it in a bit further.

    Muscle Protein Synthesis is a very metabolically expensive process. It's actually best served by making sure you have an adequate supply of the BCAA's every 4-5 hours, especially right after lifting (there's a refractory period after a feeding). Whey protein is the best source of BCAA's. If you've got that sorted:

    You can worry about not allowing a single cell of muscle tissue (other than those that absolutely have to be replaced) to ever get burned. Yeah, casein is the best slow-absorbing protein. Cottage cheese is full of it too.

    In my opinion, for nearly everyone, this would be a case of missing the forest for the trees. Hit your macros, be consistent as hell in your lifting, follow a correct program, and when you're ready to enter a PL meet or a bodybuilding pageant, then bog yourself down in the details.
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    • #3
      Steak is a slow-release protein source too...

      ...but cottage cheese is mostly casein if I'm correct right bro peeps?
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      • #4
        Originally posted by TQP View Post
        Steak is a slow-release protein source too...

        ...but cottage cheese is mostly casein if I'm correct right bro peeps?
        U r correct

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        • #5
          Cortisol peaks at night and cortisol promotes muscle catabolism, so the woman's statement has some truth to it.
          My opinions and some justification

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          • #6
            true. but kind of useless advice in my opinion. If you have the right balance of protein in your body and diet, the muscle which breaks down at night (which isnt a ton anyway) comes right back. you wouldnt even miss it

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            • #7
              Yeah, I heard hunter-gatherers were having a lizard / cricket / worm shake to avoid thinning out through the night ... HG bros are so knowledgeable!

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              • #8
                I tend to think minutiae like this doesn't matter for anyone until you're at fitness model-level.

                Sent via lightsaber

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                  In my opinion, for nearly everyone, this would be a case of missing the forest for the trees. Hit your macros, be consistent as hell in your lifting, follow a correct program, and when you're ready to enter a PL meet or a bodybuilding pageant, then bog yourself down in the details.
                  agreed. people are so fascinated with the supplement industry that they think drinking the shakes/popping the pills will make them look like the guys or girls in the magazines. (hint: it won't.) if you have everything in place and are consistent and your body is moving in the right direction, then stick with it. adding an extra shake won't make a difference. if you are consistent and you've maybe stalled with your mass building goals, and you just can't cram any more steak/eggs/dairy down your throat every day, then maybe get some extra protein from a shake.

                  I wish I had the money back that I used to spend at gnc when I was in my early 20s. man...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                    agreed. people are so fascinated with the supplement industry that they think drinking the shakes/popping the pills will make them look like the guys or girls in the magazines. (hint: it won't.) if you have everything in place and are consistent and your body is moving in the right direction, then stick with it. adding an extra shake won't make a difference. if you are consistent and you've maybe stalled with your mass building goals, and you just can't cram any more steak/eggs/dairy down your throat every day, then maybe get some extra protein from a shake.

                    I wish I had the money back that I used to spend at gnc when I was in my early 20s. man...
                    Haha I know right? This girl wasn't a fitness model either. Not that she wasn't slim, but to be honest, she could probably just use more protein anyway.

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                    • #11
                      There's a lady on reddit recently who followed a program for bikini competition. NO supplements, lots of lifting, lots of real food. She looks great. Lots of visible muscle. Even for competitors the supplements aren't necessary.
                      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                      • #12
                        but lots of competitors and lifters read and listen to utter junk about what they should eat to GET MOARBIGSTRONGBULK.
                        As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                        Ernest Hemingway

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                          but lots of competitors and lifters read and listen to utter junk about what they should eat to GET MOARBIGSTRONGBULK.
                          What, you mean they go a little... mad?

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                          • #14
                            *pushes past noticeably stronger people and clears throat*

                            What's the point of fat stores, liver and muscle glycogen, when the body breaks muscle down for glucose anyway? It doesn't make sense to me that the body is now burning something useful for the sake of glucose, instead of burning the stored fat, which is why it's there in the first place. Does this have anything to do with the macros in the diet?

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                            • #15
                              Muscle breakdown at night

                              Stored fat is also useful, especially in bodybuilders whose body fat % is below what body finds ideal to pad organs and such. Fat is also spared for starvation periods, whereas a huge muscle mass is energetically expensive ("inefficient") to maintain.

                              Enough muscle to do every day movements is useful. Bodybuilders' extra muscles aren't necessarily "useful" to your body.

                              It isn't a black and white issue...multiple components can be broken down for energy at the same time.
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