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    THE people who were utterly convinced that fat was the worst thing are now utterly convinced that it is sugar.

    Definitely

    Food scientists revealed that this time they were almost certainly 100 percent correct and the thing you must absolutely avoid is definitely probably sugar.

    Dr Martin Bishop said: “Did I say it was fat? I don’t think I did say it was fat.

    Okay, maybe I did. It was a long time ago and there was a lot of stuff going on in my private life that I don’t want to talk about. Anyway. It’s definitely sugar.

    “Or protein.”

    Nathan Muir, from Stevenage, said: “You did seem awfully sure it was fat. That’s why I gave up butter. That’s why I’ve been eating this omega 3 bullshit.

    “Because you seemed so very, very sure.”

    He added: “I absolutely dare you to change your mind again.”

    Jane Thompson, from Peterborough, said: “I’m just going to assume the entire debate is controlled by multinational corporations and eat whatever the fuck I want.

    “Which is probably what they want me to do anyway.”


  • #2
    X is definetely the worst thing... until something else is "proven"

    Every single food on earth is bad if you eat too much of it. The question is: What is "too much"? That varies depending on the quality of the food, genetics, age, lifestile, polútion, stress etc.
    Take a walk on the wild side.

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    • #3
      I'm getting ahead of the game and going on a 90% sugar diet

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      • #4
        After reading "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes and "Grain Brain" by Dr. David Perlmutter, the evidence is sugar and grains are evil.

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        • #5
          Let's do a little thinking.

          Refined sugar has existed for thousands of years. Sugar consumption has increased over the past century, but it has been common for a few centuries. American Colonialists were well-known for consuming sugar as the sugar tax was one of the driving factors in the American Revolution.

          Grain consumption has decreased in the past century. While it may still be the "foundation" of the Food Pyramid, it is a poverty food in general. Wealth has increased immensely in the past century in America, and grain consumption has decreased as a percentage of total calories in the American diet. Most poor countries free of modern disease eat far more grain than we do.

          Refined vegetable oils didn't exist in quantity til the 1970's and are unavailable in most "traditional" poor countries. 60 years ago, they didn't exist in the food supply and were used for making paints. A century ago, they didn't exist at all.

          Obesity and heart disease went through the roof since the late 1970's.

          Are grains and sugar the problem? Or is the vegetable oils the sugary dough balls are fried in confounding the issue?
          Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 03-07-2014, 12:16 PM.
          Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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          • #6
            Being fat is the worst thing. After attention is appropriately placed, one can focus on what makes people fat. There, I simplified a scientific problem.
            Last edited by Derpamix; 03-07-2014, 01:05 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by alanwil2 View Post
              After reading "Good Calories, Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes and "Grain Brain" by Dr. David Perlmutter, the evidence is sugar and grains are evil.
              Solid. Is that a logical axiom then?

              It's about time people realize that neither sugar nor grains are evil. It's the sub-standard processed junk many mindlessly ingest every day. And the lack of culinary culture in the modern developed world. Home cooked meals are on their way to becoming a thing of the past. It's way more convenient to just go by the drive-thru or open a box, or something.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Graycat View Post

                And the lack of culinary culture in the modern developed world. Home cooked meals are on their way to becoming a thing of the past. It's way more convenient to just go by the drive-thru or open a box, or something.
                I forgot who brought this up earlier this week, but it could also be that culinary culture has become TOO emphasized. With 24 hour food channels constantly showing off resource-intensive gourmet meals, many people have forgotten that it used to be totally acceptable to make a simple one-pot or basic meat/veg/carb type meal every night. It's like if you didn't spend an extra 20 minutes painstakingly creating a sauce out of some obscure fruit you found at Whole Foods your home cooked meal is a failure.

                I guess some people literally just don't know how to prepare their own food and are intimidated, but in the time it takes to get in the car and drive to Subway and back, you can easily cook some rice and a stir fry, or pan fry a steak with some sauteed greens. Better food and cheaper to boot.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Graycat View Post
                  It's about time people realize that neither sugar nor grains are evil. It's the sub-standard processed junk many mindlessly ingest every day. And the lack of culinary culture in the modern developed world. Home cooked meals are on their way to becoming a thing of the past. It's way more convenient to just go by the drive-thru or open a box, or something.
                  I couldn't agree more! And what ever happened to setting the table and eating with others? No wonder the world is going to hell in a handbasket, people are getting their food at "drive throughs" and shoving it down their gullets, losing all ability to cook/feed themselves and interact with other humans. Sorry for the rant it's one of my pet peeves. It's not really my fault the only piece of advice my mom gave me when I moved out was "always set a nice table". She also bought me a set of Le Creuset.
                  Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Eureka5280 View Post
                    I forgot who brought this up earlier this week, but it could also be that culinary culture has become TOO emphasized. With 24 hour food channels constantly showing off resource-intensive gourmet meals, many people have forgotten that it used to be totally acceptable to make a simple one-pot or basic meat/veg/carb type meal every night. It's like if you didn't spend an extra 20 minutes painstakingly creating a sauce out of some obscure fruit you found at Whole Foods your home cooked meal is a failure.

                    I guess some people literally just don't know how to prepare their own food and are intimidated, but in the time it takes to get in the car and drive to Subway and back, you can easily cook some rice and a stir fry, or pan fry a steak with some sauteed greens. Better food and cheaper to boot.
                    That -might- have been me. I was just thinking about something like that earlier this week, but I have the memory of a guppy sometimes.

                    Taco, I'm not calling you out but could you introduce me to a few of these high-grain eating countries free of modern disease? I could just about use some good news.

                    Each week I spend here I find the diet part of the Blueprint to be more and more bunk...

                    M.

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                    • #11
                      The worst thing is people trying to put all the info regarding either into one forum post. There is a reason whole books are written. And you're just confusing poor M apparently

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                      • #12
                        I brought up the lack of culinary tradition in the United States earlier this week. Most people around the world don't wonder about what they should eat- they cook and eat recipes that they grew up with. The western world has looked to science for food wisdom and nutrition science is in an absolute state of anarchy these days. Compounding that is our reliance on foods prepared by corporations- many people begin preparing their meal by opening a can, package, or box. If you haven't already seen it this is one of my favorite photo series of all time; it shows what a week's worth of groceries looks like for families around the world.

                        My mind and body has been broken by this food system. I'm obese and I've struggled with bulimia for years. I get caught up in strict diets - I was whole foods vegan (no oil), raw vegan, fruitarian, low carb, very low carb, etc etc over the years. My perfectionism always breaks me- I end up derailing and then eating french fries and cupcakes like they're going to be outlawed. So now I'm practicing a philosophy of body kindness. I eat whole foods simply prepared. I like trying out traditional recipes for special dinners on the weekend. I eat moderate portions and if I want a treat every once in a while I let myself have it. I don't count calories, carbs, or grams of fat. I listen to my body and eat what I'm hungry for but stop when I'm satisfied. There are no foods that are off limits but I have an idea of what a meal should look like that I try to follow (protein, veggies, good fats, fruit, etc.) The weight has begun to fly off and at the same time I feel sane and happy.

                        A little bit of sugar isn't going to kill you. Or grains. I've been down the black & white thinking road too many times to get tricked again. If it's real food and you eat it in moderation it isn't going to harm you.
                        Love, peace, and bacon grease.

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                        • #13
                          Not sure what the point of this thread is...

                          Obviously sugar is the problem, and has always been the problem, not animal/plant fat (Yudkin was right, Keys was wrong).

                          That people are finally figuring this out is a good thing.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                            Not sure what the point of this thread is...

                            Obviously sugar is the problem, and has always been the problem, not animal/plant fat (Yudkin was right, Keys was wrong).

                            That people are finally figuring this out is a good thing.
                            People have been eating sugar a lot longer than they have refined plant fats. Refined sugar has been around for centuries. Natural sugars have existed longer than humanity. Refined plant fats haven't existed before 1900, and weren't part of the diet until the 70's. When did obesity and heart disease start becoming major problems?
                            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                            • #15
                              Taco, you should read Fat Switch. Sugar was first refined over 2000 years ago and even back then by physicians were accusing it of related health problems it accused of today.
                              Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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