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  • What will the "Paleo" diet look like in 5 years?

    So, we've seen a rather sudden change in the Paleo community over the last couple years. Things that were once considered taboo (i.e. rice, white potato, beans) are now being happily assimilated by many.

    My question is, what will Paleo look like in 5 years? Will be eating wheat, provided it's soaked or sprouted? Will processed sugar be okay, as long as it's refined? Hell, will Canola oil be the oil of choice?

    I see 3 major changes happening over the next 5 years, realistically:

    1. Ancient Grains will be more accepted. I see many people using ancient strains of wheat happily.

    2. Beans and nuts will be much more readily accepted, even a core part of the diet. While nuts already are for many, beans are just now getting acceptance. The reality is that both beans and nuts correlate (yes, I said that word) with health consistently and, more importantly, lack negative correlations consistently. I think people will realize that lectins and phytates cannot be treated in a vacuum, that as part of a whole food they will be okay for many. (Of course those with sensitivities will continue to avoid.)

    3. The scene will be much smaller. IMO, the "diet" is at or near peak and most of the casual followers will fall off, just like any diet. In fact, the term "Paleo" will very likely have a negative connotation by that point.

    Just my thoughts. Myself, my main "Paleo Code" is what to avoid. IMO, avoiding refined seed oils and processed modern wheat and sugar is a giant reason why so many "healthy" diets work great. Just avoiding those things has tremendous effects and I hope to continue avoiding them for the rest of my life. (Oh, and be active every day, but that's not really a "Paleo" tenet, it's just common sense.

    What do you think Paleo will be in 5 years?

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    I think there has been some moderation in the Paleo approach due to an overly strict and dogmatic approach. That said, I think a conservative approach was very warranted. People are trying to widen the umbrella rather than narrow it.

    As some are prone to say, there is no ONE Paleo Diet. It's more about what the diet is NOT, IMO, and it sounds like yours as well.

    Grains, excessive omega-6s from seed oils and animals fed grain-based diets, added sugars in the diet. These seem to be the biggest things we have learned to avoid. These are things we know that the Paleo Diet never was. Precise macronutrient ratios and the like had a lot of variability.

    I think nuts have always been accepted in the Paleo world with some making specific caveats about them. Personally, I think the NO-NOs will stay basically the same. More acceptance of properly prepared beans and ancient grains may occur. I, however, think that will be on the periphery. Those foods are just too much trouble to eat properly. There are much healthier foods out there that are easier to deal with. I think it will just make Paleo more inclusive to have a more nuanced stance on those things.

    So in summary, I think the "Paleo Diet" will stay roughly the same. However, I think we'll see more nuanced understandings of certain foods and their dangers. I think the real development will be in better matching the diet for specific individual needs. For example, some need a VLC approach, while others do better on a moderate approach. Etc...

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    • #3
      I think in the future a great many people will honestly do an n=1 test on things like gluten grains, nightshades, legumes, soy, corn, dairy, eggs, and other common foods that many are intolerant to. They will find their quality of living improves greatly when not eating stuff that is hurting them. It will be more common to give up foods that is making you sick rather than living with pain, suffering, and debilitating illness because you want to fit in with other people who eat unquestioned garbage diets.

      In particular there will be a lot more people out there in the general population finding that gluten is toxic to their bodies as more people try gluten-free diets or become diagnosed.

      I think there will be a lot more research out there on various things like the "ancient grains", fermented and/or sprouted, that so many people assume are gluten-safe with zero real data to support that assumption. I'm sorry, if you can't find me a single assay on the food itself as it is commonly purchased and prepared, there is no reason for me to assume that the gluten has magically been made safe for me to consume.

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      • #4
        I see naturally fermented foods growing in emphasis. There is so much cool science happening these days on the link between gut flora health and overall physical and mental health, that it is hard to imagine that this will not continue to grow.

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        • #5
          Hopefully, all the books, forums, gurus and templates will completely fade away into obscurity and it will be replaced with the simple concept of eating only whole foods and eliminating processed foods from the diet. Right now, you have people scared of perfectly healthy foods like fruits, potatoes and properly prepared legumes and drinking buttered coffee and eating virgin coconut oil like it's somehow healthy, and there is a complete overemphasis on dietary fat and muscle meats with not enough focus on fruits, starches and gelatinous protein sources and dairy. Let's put all that minutia away and embrace eating whole, natural foods and eliminating the boxes, bags and jars.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by OneDeltaTenTango View Post
            I see naturally fermented foods growing in emphasis. There is so much cool science happening these days on the link between gut flora health and overall physical and mental health, that it is hard to imagine that this will not continue to grow.
            This, for sure. I also think there will be a larger pull away from VLC (very low carb). In my opinion, so many people want to lose weight fast and VLC is the solution. Short term? Not so bad. Long term? Probably not so good.

            I hope in 5 years, paleo/primal eating is a better version of what it is now: organic, grass fed meat, veggies, fruit, nuts, seeds, berries, starches and a little good ol fashion goat cheese somewhere in there.

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            • #7
              We're going back to the ice age. Keto paleo round 2 baby!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                the simple concept of eating only whole foods and eliminating processed foods from the diet.

                This is what I think any diet should be. I hope this is what it becomes.

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                • #9
                  I think you have nailed it when you put down your last paragraph: individual code/choice. It is inevitable, that as the time progress, we will see more and more (conflicting) information and theories and WOE. ... But I am all for just avoiding processed foods. Though, who knows where 'whole' stops and 'processed' begins.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                    ...eliminating the boxes, bags and jars.
                    It would be awesome if the majority followed just that.
                    Paleo since April 2013 for health reasons.

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                    • #11
                      I think there will be huge amounts of boxed foods and bars in the "paleo" section of stores, most containing questionable ingredients, for those who want to half-ass it.

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                      • #12
                        It would be nice if the whole Paleo thing would incorporate the fitness part as strongly as the food part, but I don't think that will happen.
                        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                        • #13
                          I think that paleo is very popular now and needs to have a broader appeal to pull in the masses. That can be through 4 Hour Body style cheat days and legumes or through PHD safe carbs. In addition, one diet does not fit everybody so variety is good. I think there will be different versions of paleo -- strict, moderate carb, "legumo paleo," etc. I just hope that people don't try to shove modern wheat/gluten, omega6 oild into something called "paleo."

                          That being said, I seem to do best on a stricter lower carb diet and the longer I'm doing this the less dependent I am on carbs.

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                          • #14
                            I think scientific studies that are sorely lacking at this point will eventually catch up to the main stream conscience and reveal the enormous health benefits of the paleo WOE, which in turn will finally - if ever so slowly - force the medical profession, including dieticians, to accept that they need to change their indoctrinated minds and embrace paleo if they want to truly help their patients.

                            I foresee a renaissance for paleo when the most ignorant CW followers are finally drop kicked into reality.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bob loblaw View Post
                              So, we've seen a rather sudden change in the Paleo community over the last couple years. Things that were once considered taboo (i.e. rice, white potato, beans) are now being happily assimilated by many.

                              My question is, what will Paleo look like in 5 years? Will be eating wheat, provided it's soaked or sprouted? Will processed sugar be okay, as long as it's refined? Hell, will Canola oil be the oil of choice?

                              I see 3 major changes happening over the next 5 years, realistically:

                              1. Ancient Grains will be more accepted. I see many people using ancient strains of wheat happily.
                              Well I have trouble finding out whether you're trolling or no.

                              As for what your hopes are, 1.) I think you are free to eat whatever you like, 2.) the diet you described with the legumes and ancient grains does exist, it's called the Brooklyn Venture Capital Hipster Diet. Alternatively, you could call it the Trader Joe Diet, Whole Foods Diet or just plain Neolithic Diet. It's awesomely popular (though mostly among Brooklyn venture capital hipsters), and you're free to follow it.
                              Anyway.

                              I fail to see the sort of continuous change you are implying. As the community / movement grows, with more people comes more variety, and thankfully at least this forum has not devolved into calling out heretics, and is more about sane discussion of compromises and variants.

                              As for grains, ancient or modern, they are not food. They can be processed into food via neolithic procedures, and their only saving grace is that they are extremely cheap and can be held in storage for a very long time. They are a bad food, and thus I do not see myself eating any anytime soon.

                              With potatoes, the thing is more nuanced. Eating starchy roots and tubers is primal, so the denouncement of the potato was, I guess, somewhat of a lashback due to its prominent place in the SAD. That said, I don't eat too many starchy tubers in proportion to other foods, and in my opinion neither should you. Also, Mark wrote many good articles on the potato, just do a search.
                              The whole nightshade debate is a bit weird for my tastes. At least tomatoes and bell peppers fulfill all the requirements of a paleo food. They are non-poisonous (at least acutely) fruits that are obviously food, look like food, taste like food, and if Grok came across some, I guess he would have eaten them.
                              Of course I accept some people are having trouble with alkaloids in them, but I think it's likely a small minority, and my opinion is that nightshades are a separate dietary decision by themselves, completely unrelated to being primal or paleo.

                              Legumes, well if you enjoy them, good for you. In my experience, they are really useful as a practical joke (if you're into toilet humor), but unless you've committed in a religious way not to actively take a life, I don't see why anyone would want to eat them.
                              Last edited by Sigmoid; 03-03-2014, 02:13 PM.

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