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    This is sorta off topic, but maybe it's significant. We're all pretty independent people. If anybody wants to remain independent of the government, please sign the petition to keep our health care free from government meddling. Only 300,000 signatures way from the 1 Million mark.


    http://www.freeourhealthcarenow.com


    Personally I'd rather make my own decisions about my health.


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    Amen to making our own decisions about health! Petiton signed and I am forwarding to everyone I know. Thank you for posting!

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      I hate petitions.

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        Did that already.

        This administration has me really upset...

        Eating lots but still hungry? Eat more fat. Mid-day sluggishness? Eat more fat. Feeling depressed or irritable? Eat more fat. People think you've developed an eating disorder? Eat more fat... in front of them.

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          Ditto...

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            Boy, does this make my blood boil, Diana! I presume you are one of the people that has some adequate health coverage. I DON'T! I am one of those 40 million Americans that to you is a statistic. Well, I'm flesh and blood but the ER is my health care. You could lose your coverage tomorrow, so to speak. You might feel differently.


            Did you know that Medicare has the highest satisfaction of all health delivery systems in America? That the second most approved is the VA? That no country that has single payer has ever tried the failed American way? That we pay twice as much for our care here in America compared to Canada or France and yet we have far worse outcomes? Is that logical, to not move to a better, more cost effective model?


            The other day in the parking lot I got into a strained discussion with some guy. It became obvious that he is yet another (I won't say what party) hypocrite taking his Social Security (Thank you FDR!)and Medicare (Thank you LBJ!)and then complaining about pending, possible changes in the near future.


            "Watch out when they start messing with your Medicare." My response was, "WHAT MEDICARE? I DON'T HAVE ANY CARE!" All he could say was, "Yeah, that's tough." Yet most of my working life I have been paying for his care.


            PLEASE, PLEASE let America catch up with the rest of the civilized world so that we can do better than 37th in health care statistics. You know, even Cuba does much better.

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              I have to agree with OTB with this one. I know far too many people who cannot afford health care, and the number is rising as the USA's financial woes grow. As more and more people lose their livlihoods, they, too, lose their health care. A single life saving surgery can put someone into debt for the rest of their life.

              Start weight: 250 - 06/2009
              Current weight: 199
              Goal: 145

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                Yes, we are the only country in the world that ties health care to employment or reaching a certain age. The former is due to a fluke of history, companies could not pay higher wages in WWII so they started offering benefits. Truman tried to change this in 1946 but the new congress, now dominated by, you know, those guys, wouldn't move on it.


                HALF of all bankruptcies have their origins in some medical situation.


                I remember when it was "only" 30 million w/o care back in the 1980's.


                My parents under Medicare and AFLAC Medi-Gap get incredible care. I'm embarrassed to tell you what my father's cancer treatments have cost, but he got the care. They to to any doctor they want. The doctors never have to get approval for therapies. The doctors may not get paid what they would like, but they always get paid w/o the delays that private insurers are famous for.


                Medicare's overhead burden is about 3%. Private insurers run 25-35%. They have to pay for those multi million dollar CEO salaries (look up Health South.) They have to pay agents, stockholders, and underwriters, and for advertising. They would rather pay trained monkeys to deny care than provide it. I would guess that the head of Medicare doesn't make $200K, yet delivers the most admired health care system in America.


                Which model makes the most sense? Why is almost 80% of the public insisting on a public option? You do the math. There are only two possible conclusions. One is based on care and cost. The other is based on ideology.

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                  It really struck me when you mentioned the ER, Bayou, because I know people who are in the same boat--they can't afford to go to the doctor, but the ER can't refuse them. And so many people go untreated until they are in really bad shape. . .one who couldn't afford treatment for her diabetes (and she wanted to be a dietitian to help others!) and wound up in emergency--she still hasn't fully recovered from the damage. My hope would be that the medical profession will come to their senses about the fat/carb thing, so people are able to go get GOOD (not CW) advice (because they can afford to) before they get really sick, and we'll all save money over our current situation because there will be so much less cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. (They say that I'm a dreamer. . .)

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                    Under the current system, the only decision that I am free to make regarding my healthcare is whether I want to go into debt from medical bills or suffer through whatever ailment strikes me. I take extreme care in maintaining my health to the best of my ability, and have been exceedingly fortunate in avoiding any accidental injuries.


                    I have not had insurance for a decade, during which time I have been consistently employed and paying taxes. There is a huge flaw in a system that relies upon citizens receiving healthcare through their place of employment, yet does not require employers to offer health care benefits to all. My only option is to pay for an insurance plan on my own; although I admit that my mathematical ability is tenuous at best, the numbers have never turned up in my favor. I run the risk of either going "insurance broke," or winding up in bankruptcy for medical care that my meager policy would not cover.


                    In fact, I even work for the government right now. However, because I am in a "stay-in-school" student intern position, I am not considered worthy of any health care benefits. I suppose that my age bracket's "young invincibles" title was taken a bit too literally when doling out benefits to this position.


                    Do I think the current propositions are the perfect solution? Absolutely not; like any major policy change, there are flaws that must be openly debated and discussed. But I am, at the very least, optimistic to see the issue of health care brought to the table. The sensationalist cries that ring the socialism alarm are overdramatizing the situation; a single-payer plan is not imminent by any means.

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                      The HC industry has buffaloed everyone in an HMO or PPO into thinking they have choices, when it's obvious they DON'T. You might switch doctor's in a system, but you typically cannot go outside of the system.


                      OTOH, Medicare patients go anywhere they please. True, some doctors limit the number of MC patients they will take on, but we've never seen that happen in almost 30 years of my parents on MC.


                      Switching to a MC style system will INCREASE your selections. Brought to you by the same people who tell you up is down. And that the Canadian drugs are dangerous.

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                        The HC industry has buffaloed everyone in an HMO or PPO into thinking they have choices, when it's obvious they DON'T. You might switch doctor's in a system, but you typically cannot go outside of the system.


                        OTOH, Medicare patients go anywhere they please. True, some doctors limit the number of MC patients they will take on, but we've never seen that happen in almost 30 years of my parents on MC.


                        Switching to a MC style system will INCREASE your selections. Brought to you by the same people who tell you up is down. And that the Canadian drugs are dangerous.

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                          I understand both sides, but don't force people like us to be pegged into one 'system'.


                          Can you say communist/ Marxist?


                          Where's the line to get my micro-chip implanted?


                          Bah!


                          I'm done....

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                            If you think health care is expensive and hard to get NOW.....


                            Just WAIT til it's FREE


                            PETITION SIGNED!

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                              [quote]


                              I have to agree with OTB with this one. I know far too many people who cannot afford health care, and the number is rising as the USA's financial woes grow. As more and more people lose their livlihoods, they, too, lose their health care. A single life saving surgery can put someone into debt for the rest of their life.
                              </blockquote>


                              Katt-- no one is denied healthcare in the U.S. There is no crisis. ETA: although no crisis, it&#39;s certainly not perfect.


                              But, with socialized healthcare.. you won&#39;t even get to live long enough to have that surgery. You won&#39;t even get an appointment on time to get the life saving diagnosis.
                              [quote]


                              I understand both sides, but don&#39;t force people like us to be pegged into one &#39;system&#39;.


                              Can you say communist/ Marxist?


                              Where&#39;s the line to get my micro-chip implanted?
                              </blockquote>


                              You got that right SF!

                              It reeks of communism!

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