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  • #16
    Originally posted by Eureka5280 View Post
    You are the one being obtuse. I never said a person's TDEE is a constant, I merely said you have to absorb fewer calories than you burn to lose weight. That is thermodynamics.
    Hey. Explain why one set of 5,000 Calories resulted in weight gain, and the other didn't. Using Thermodynamics.

    Sam clearly DOES disagree with you in terms of CICO and what it means for weight loss in the human body.
    Last edited by magicmerl; 12-11-2013, 03:37 PM.
    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

    Griff's cholesterol primer
    5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
    Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
    TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
      Hey. Explain why one set of 5,000 Calories resulted in weight gain, and the other didn't.

      Using Thermodynamics.

      He clearly DOES disagree with you in terms of CICO and what it means for weight loss in the human body.
      It's right there in the name buddy. Whatever food/energy was not used for mechanical force or replacement of lost tissues was converted to heat. THERMOdynamics.

      I'm done. You guys are clearly not understanding what I'm saying here, so go ahead and think I'm wrong and we'll all just live happy lives ignoring each other until the next childish pissing contest.
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      Diet: Currently experimenting with higher carb (Peat-esque) primal with emphasis on beef, dairy, seafood, sugar and a bit of starch on lifting days.

      Activities: Started Stronglifts 5x5 on 3/1/14. Adding sprints and hikes soon.
      End of Year Working Set Goals: Squats-250, Bench-200, DL-315

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Akraw View Post
        Euraka, using Thermodynamics, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY I lost more weight eating many more calories on the primal diet than when I ate significantly less on the strictly CICO diet?
        Whatever foods you chose agree with you and/or your metabolism. Unsure why it's such a huge deal to try and prove whatever you're doing.

        If I ate the way quite a few members on this board eat, I would gain weight... again. How do I know? Because I did gain weight again eating that way.

        High carb works for me. I can even eat junk as long as I don't overdo it, and lose weight. Hell, that's how I lost a lot the first time around. But, ((*FOR ME!!*)) CICO works based on whatever TDEE my body spits out. Also, don't eat back your exercise calories, those estimations are notoriously inaccurate.

        Different strokes, different folks. Glad you found what works for you.

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        • #19
          In on 10+ page calorie war.

          These are always fun(ny)
          Dark chocolate and coffee, running through my veins...

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Eureka5280 View Post
            Because the primal diet foods increased your metabolism/energy expenditure versus your clearly mis-named "strictly CICO" diet.
            Bingo. you just made my point exactly. Thank you : )

            In addition, some food could be interfering with thyroid or pancreas function. THUS you can eat the same exact caloric amount of McDonald's, and the same exact caloric amount of primal foods and get inconsistent results. That is my point in a nutshell.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Eureka5280 View Post
              I'm done. You guys are clearly not understanding what I'm saying here, so go ahead and think I'm wrong and we'll all just live happy lives ignoring each other until the next childish pissing contest.
              For the record, Eureka, you're the one that made this a childish pissing contest with your 'Thermodynamics explains EVERYTHING and whatever you say is wrong because it doesn't fall into the rules of Thermodynamics.' Thermodynamics is an incredibly complex topic that you (or I) cannot possibly begin to fully comprehend. That's like trying to explain why CICO didn't work using String theory. Why don't you get over yourself and stop wasting time acting superior.

              FURTHERMORE this conversation was never ever directed to you. It's for Choco.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Akraw View Post
                Bingo. you just made my point exactly. Thank you : )

                In addition, some food could be interfering with thyroid or pancreas function. THUS you can eat the same exact caloric amount of McDonald's, and the same exact caloric amount of primal foods and get inconsistent results. That is my point in a nutshell.
                If that was your point from the beginning then I don't disagree with you. And frankly, I don't think Choco would either; so now I really don't understand the point of this thread.
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                Eureka5280: M / 38 / 235lbs / Goal: 180lbs

                Diet: Currently experimenting with higher carb (Peat-esque) primal with emphasis on beef, dairy, seafood, sugar and a bit of starch on lifting days.

                Activities: Started Stronglifts 5x5 on 3/1/14. Adding sprints and hikes soon.
                End of Year Working Set Goals: Squats-250, Bench-200, DL-315

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Eureka5280 View Post
                  And frankly, I don't think Choco would either; so now I really don't understand the point of this thread.
                  I didn't make this post to ask YOUR opinion of what Choco may or may not think. If you would look at the topic of the thread it reads "ChocoTaco369, this is for you:". Nowhere in there does it contain your name. I really have nothing more to say to you. You're condescending and obnoxious. Go back to Call of Duty or whatever you do when you're not wasting people's time in health forums.

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                  • #24
                    Akraw, I have no clue what your motives were when you started this thread. To slam Choco and what works for him? I doubt he will care. I lost 85 lbs on a 1200 calorie diet. I hated every minute, but it worked. If I needed to lose weight, I would eat lean meats, fruits and veggies while keeping fats and calories in mind. Not every method works for every person.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Nivanthe View Post
                      Whatever foods you chose agree with you and/or your metabolism. Unsure why it's such a huge deal to try and prove whatever you're doing.
                      My understanding is that it's because CICO pretends to have the shiny veneer of 'science', when really it's just calorie counting and weighing yourself, and reverse engineering 'calories out' to be whatever figure it needs to be to make the equation balance. The principle also assumes that all calories 'agree' with your metabolism equally, it doesn't matter WHAT calories you consume, only their quantity. Of course, it's normal for you to be hungry all the time, because you need to starve your body to create the calorie deficit.

                      Whereas if you focus on things like eating to satiety (using foods that actually satisfy like fat and protein) and for hormonal balance, somehow you can eat a lot more calories, and without the negative side effects of gnawing hunger.

                      Originally posted by oceangrl View Post
                      Not every method works for every person.
                      I think that starvation would actually work for every person in terms of losing weight.
                      Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                      Griff's cholesterol primer
                      5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                      Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                      TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                      bloodorchid is always right

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Akraw View Post
                        I didn't make this post to ask YOUR opinion of what Choco may or may not think. If you would look at the topic of the thread it reads "ChocoTaco369, this is for you:". Nowhere in there does it contain your name. I really have nothing more to say to you. You're condescending and obnoxious. Go back to Call of Duty or whatever you do when you're not wasting people's time in health forums.

                        Lol. UMADBRO?
                        __________________________________________________ _____________________________
                        Eureka5280: M / 38 / 235lbs / Goal: 180lbs

                        Diet: Currently experimenting with higher carb (Peat-esque) primal with emphasis on beef, dairy, seafood, sugar and a bit of starch on lifting days.

                        Activities: Started Stronglifts 5x5 on 3/1/14. Adding sprints and hikes soon.
                        End of Year Working Set Goals: Squats-250, Bench-200, DL-315

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                        • #27
                          And the lord spoke to them and he said, "Let there be horses. And where they lay dead, ye shall dig them up. And ye shall beat them and beat them. With stick and with rock. With brick and with crowbar shall ye beat them. Never shall ye stop beating them, so that man may live"

                          And this was the first Christmas.

                          Amen.
                          The Champagne of Beards

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Eureka5280 View Post
                            Lol. UMADBRO?
                            I thought you were out?

                            Anyway, you may recall that I asked you why Sam Feltham gained weight on 5,000 calories of one diet, but not 5,000 calories of the other diet. Your response was:
                            Originally posted by Eureka5280 View Post
                            It's right there in the name buddy. Whatever food/energy was not used for mechanical force or replacement of lost tissues was converted to heat. THERMOdynamics.
                            Which did nothing to address my question because according to CICO both diets should have had the same effect according to THERMOdynamics.

                            Unless ... you think that somehow the fat diet used a far greater amount of mechanical force or replaced a lot of lost tissues. Or are you implying that it was all burned as heat? (sorry for all the inferences, you didn't really address my question, so I'm guessing here)

                            Because if you are saying the excess was burned as heat, the obvious next question is, why did the high carb diet NOT burn all of those excess calories as heat?
                            Last edited by magicmerl; 12-11-2013, 04:01 PM.
                            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

                            Griff's cholesterol primer
                            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
                            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
                            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
                            bloodorchid is always right

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                            • #29
                              Lol..Merry Christmas Mr. Bat Angel.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by magicmerl View Post

                                Or are you implying that it was all burned as heat?

                                Because if you are saying the excess was burned as heat, the obvious next question is, why did the high carb diet NOT but all of those excess calories as heat?
                                That is exactly what I am implying. Yes, that is the obvious next question. My answer is, I have no idea and I never said I did. I simply said the body obeys the laws of thermodynamics like every other mechanical system in our universe.
                                __________________________________________________ _____________________________
                                Eureka5280: M / 38 / 235lbs / Goal: 180lbs

                                Diet: Currently experimenting with higher carb (Peat-esque) primal with emphasis on beef, dairy, seafood, sugar and a bit of starch on lifting days.

                                Activities: Started Stronglifts 5x5 on 3/1/14. Adding sprints and hikes soon.
                                End of Year Working Set Goals: Squats-250, Bench-200, DL-315

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