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    How much sugar do you guys typically allow yourself? I'm finding that I am having cravings for sweet things. I tried to satisfy the cravings by eating fruit and sweet potatoes, but I am craving refined sugar-like cookies and such.
    Do you allow yourself some refined sugar once in a while? I'm afraid if I treat myself to refined sugar or even something with lots of sugar (like a Larabar), that'll kickstart a bad cycle of wanting sugar and carbs more and more often because I had trouble with controlling sugar cravings before going paleo. Nowadays I'm having "cheat days" more often where I eat more carbs & fruit (though never over 130g of carbs), which makes me crave it more. I'm wondering whether I should try to stop having "cheat days" because they are fueling my cravings, or try to satisfy my cravings with something actually high-sugar, like a larabar or a cookie something.
    Thoughts?

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    Why do you have a cheat meal, because you truly need it or because you just feel as though the idea of a cheat meal will help?

    Larabars are known as "Paleo Candybars" and you can treat them this way. Let yourself eat one to curb cravings every once in a while, but don't just give into cravings every time you get them.
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    • #3
      Opinion on refined sugar/sugary primal foods?

      For god's sake it is just a cookie... You only live once.

      Eat it. Eat the cookie. Take it into account calorically.

      Yes it sounds like CW wisdom but I find that if nothing is "off limits" to me I never get out of control. Knowing I could have a cookie or a slice of cake if I wanted....equates to me only recalling one week in recent history where I did: Gluten free cake for dinner 3x in a row for my bday. That was in July.

      Otherwise I eat plenty of carbs from fruit and don't make carbs into evil things and my cravings for carby junk falls away.


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      • #4
        Originally posted by campeavy View Post
        Why do you have a cheat meal, because you truly need it or because you just feel as though the idea of a cheat meal will help?

        Larabars are known as "Paleo Candybars" and you can treat them this way. Let yourself eat one to curb cravings every once in a while, but don't just give into cravings every time you get them.
        I have a cheat day because of the cravings, and I guess I hope the "cheat days" would help with them, without actually giving in by eating refined sugar.

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        • #5
          My experience with sweet cravings is that they are 99% psychological and 1% physical. My carbs are typically 100-150g/day, so I'm not carb-starved, for sure. Still, I hardly notice 1T refined sugar for a dessert or in tea as a post-dinner treat. If I have more than that, I do make a mental note because it's almost certainly not about nutritional needs.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by turquoisepassion View Post
            For god's sake it is just a cookie... You only live once.

            Eat it. Eat the cookie. Take it into account calorically.

            Yes it sounds like CW wisdom but I find that if nothing is "off limits" to me I never get out of control. Knowing I could have a cookie or a slice of cake if I wanted....equates to me only recalling one week in recent history where I did: Gluten free cake for dinner 3x in a row for my bday. That was in July.

            Otherwise I eat plenty of carbs from fruit and don't make carbs into evil things and my cravings for carby junk falls away.


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            Sometimes I do feel like I should just "eat the cookie", but I have trouble because I feel like that will turn into "eating a cookie" every week. I find that eating sugar tends to fuel my sugar cravings, yet I don't know how to kick it.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Alfi56 View Post
              Sometimes I do feel like I should just "eat the cookie", but I have trouble because I feel like that will turn into "eating a cookie" every week. I find that eating sugar tends to fuel my sugar cravings, yet I don't know how to kick it.
              For me I incorporate pure sugar by itself minus the grains and seed oils into my diet and my craving for cookies and ice cream disappeared. Pure sugar by itself isn't bad, and isn't as hyperpalatable as something high fat-high sugar (cake cookies ice cream). I have 2 types of ice cream in the freezer but I barely eat a few spoonfuls before I am done with it. No cookies in months. No cake other than bday cake in July. However, I understand that my high sugar intake isn't primal. (Mark does have a teaspoon of sugar in his coffee every day though)


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              • #8
                I think it depends on what you want out of Primal, and how long you've been primal.

                While there is some thought that craving something means you need it, I think the flip side is that junkies and alcoholics crave things that they absolutely do not need.

                So, my thought is that if Primal (or the stricter Paleo) has become a way of life, go ahead and indulge once in awhile. But if you're just beginning, you might be stalling your progress by indulging your old way of eating. Most of us can wrap our heads around 90 days. Be really Primal for 90 days. Then, evaluate how you feel, and go from there. If you still want the cookie, eat the cookie.
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                • #9
                  SO update:
                  I didn't eat the cookie, but I did eat something something with lots of sugar in it. Now I'm feeling the consequences, because I want to "cheat" more and more, and I'm craving sugar. I'm also craving bread and wheat again.... any help? I would say the bread cravings are really bad, because my family eats a SAD diet and I'm surrounded by crackers and the smell of bread...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Alfi56 View Post
                    Now I'm feeling the consequences, because I want to "cheat" more and more, and I'm craving sugar. I'm also craving bread and wheat again.... any help?
                    Uh...don't eat crappy stuff and eat better stuff instead? Just a crazy thought I had.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
                      Uh...don't eat crappy stuff and eat better stuff instead? Just a crazy thought I had.
                      Hmm, seems rational.

                      To answer the question, I've been eating around 15g sugar / day all year, from trace amounts in carrots, cucumbers and such.

                      That seems like a natural amount of sugar. Haven't had a cookie in 2013, what do they taste like?? The problem is -- sugar is an addictive substance, people don't stop with one cookie.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Alfi56 View Post
                        Sometimes I do feel like I should just "eat the cookie", but I have trouble because I feel like that will turn into "eating a cookie" every week. I find that eating sugar tends to fuel my sugar cravings, yet I don't know how to kick it.

                        I agree that eating sugar only fuels the cravings. You could try what I did : Base your meal around ample protein e.g. eggs for breakfast, steak for dinner, tuna or chicken at lunch. Plenty of other primal food so you are not actually hungry. Veges, fat, some nuts and perhaps dairy. Keep it up for a while and pretty soon everything will taste sweet - fruit, dark chocolate, even carrots. Then you can satisfy your desire for something sweet by a small primal treat without going crazy.

                        PS if you are female you may find those cravings especially strong at a certain time of the month. I don't try too hard to fight them any more, but try to go with things like bananas and dates rather than cookies for example.
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                        • #13
                          you can't kill the sugar monkey if you keep feeding it.

                          until your body is in better balance, your health improved and your diet really dialed-in, your brain is NOT asking for what it truly needs. once you start craving liver, steak and oysters, your body is telling you the truth.

                          go cold-turkey. at least 30 days. no grains, no sugar. low-sugar fruit very sparingly. this does not have to be a forever thing. just to get your cravings out of the way.
                          As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
                            Uh...don't eat crappy stuff and eat better stuff instead? Just a crazy thought I had.

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                            Haha if only it were that easy- if it was that simple most of Americans wouldn't be eating SAD the way they are now, would they? I'm just asking for advice as to how to handle these continuous cravings that I can't quell, and when I do sometimes given in it just feeds into a bad loop of craving it more.

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                            • #15
                              Actually, it really can be as simple as that. Not necessarily easy at first, but really truly does become easier as time goes on, that's why people here can say they haven't had a cookie in a year. It's not like they have been battling cravings for 365 days, it's that those desires do in fact fade.
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