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  • #16
    Originally posted by statikcat View Post
    The only reason to avoid sugar at that level of a few grams is because the taste sets off your appetite or further sugar cravings. However a piece of bacon with like 1g of sugar is not going to send any signals because you won't even be able to taste it. Its negligible most likely. Look at the nutrition label.. it probably says 0 carb. Potentially is rounded down but still. You are concerned about an issue that only exists in your head.




    I will give you side by side bacon made with 1-2g of sugar and one without. You think you can tell me the difference? Are you going to binge on sugar because a piece of BACON?
    It's not the taste of/ lack of taste of the sugar. It's the absorption of sugar into the blood stream that creates the craving. If sugar is listed in the ingredients then regardless of the "0g sugar" on the nutrition it still has sugar. That sugar is likely .5g per serving. If 1 strip is .5 grams, and I want 10 strips, then my blood has just obsorbed 5 g of refined sugar. (And I have all this bacon in the fridge that I paid so much for and I'm going to eat it till it's gone.) Now for some people that doesn't mean anything. But for others, that 5 grams, can an will create more cravings for sugar. If you don't believe me, then quit eating all forms of sugar for 3 days, have a teaspoon of sugar and tell me if you don't want sugar again. I don't know how much more I can simplify this.

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    • #17
      You can buy pork belly and make your own. All it takes is cosher salt, whatever spices you want and a week or so of fridge time. You also need to keep it in the freezer.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Leida View Post
        You can buy pork belly and make your own. All it takes is cosher salt, whatever spices you want and a week or so of fridge time. You also need to keep it in the freezer.
        I wanna try this I love the idea of making my own bacon

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Liftinglife View Post
          It's not the taste of/ lack of taste of the sugar. It's the absorption of sugar into the blood stream that creates the craving. If sugar is listed in the ingredients then regardless of the "0g sugar" on the nutrition it still has sugar. That sugar is likely .5g per serving. If 1 strip is .5 grams, and I want 10 strips, then my blood has just obsorbed 5 g of refined sugar. (And I have all this bacon in the fridge that I paid so much for and I'm going to eat it till it's gone.) Now for some people that doesn't mean anything. But for others, that 5 grams, can an will create more cravings for sugar. If you don't believe me, then quit eating all forms of sugar for 3 days, have a teaspoon of sugar and tell me if you don't want sugar again. I don't know how much more I can simplify this.
          Your body requires glucose, there is a reason you crave sugar.

          Interesting that you would think 10 strips of bacon is healthy but 5g of sugar is comparable to crack or heroin.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by MarkChopper View Post
            Your body requires glucose, there is a reason you crave sugar.

            Interesting that you would think 10 strips of bacon is healthy but 5g of sugar is comparable to crack or heroin.
            glucose ≠ sugar used in bacon. You do not need to eat table sugar or corn derived sugar. There are far better ways to get the glucose your body needs. Also gluconeogenesis exists as a mechanism of getting this needed glucose in a non-carbohydrate environment.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by ryanmercer View Post
              glucose ≠ sugar used in bacon. You do not need to eat table sugar or corn derived sugar. There are far better ways to get the glucose your body needs. Also gluconeogenesis exists as a mechanism of getting this needed glucose in a non-carbohydrate environment.
              All true. I just find it interesting that some can attribute a few grams of ingested sugar to some sort of psychosomatic craving or binging of sugar. If its something your body requires, i find it hard to believe one can be addicted. Instead maybe your body is trying to send you a message, like maybe gluconeogenesis is not the optimal method for obtaining glucose.

              Sugar addictions are simply nutrient deficiencies. Sugar is a nutrient.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by MarkChopper View Post
                Your body requires glucose, there is a reason you crave sugar.

                Interesting that you would think 10 strips of bacon is healthy but 5g of sugar is comparable to crack or heroin.
                I'm not saying it's ok to eat 10 strips of bacon, even healthy foods need moderation. the bacon was just an example. Your body does not require any forms of refined sugar whatsoever. The glucose that your brain needs to function properly can be attained from fruit most easily. However your body will turn any fat/carbs and yes PROTEIN into glucose.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by MarkChopper View Post
                  All true. I just find it interesting that some can attribute a few grams of ingested sugar to some sort of psychosomatic craving or binging of sugar.

                  Sugar addiction: pushing the drug-sugar analogy to the limit.

                  Available evidence in humans shows that sugar and sweetness can induce reward and craving that are comparable in magnitude to those induced by addictive drugs. Although this evidence is limited by the inherent difficulty of comparing different types of rewards and psychological experiences in humans, it is nevertheless supported by recent experimental research on sugar and sweet reward in laboratory rats. Overall, this research has revealed that sugar and sweet reward can not only substitute to addictive drugs, like cocaine, but can even be more rewarding and attractive.
                  Originally posted by MarkChopper View Post
                  If its something your body requires, i find it hard to believe one can be addicted. Instead maybe your body is trying to send you a message, like maybe gluconeogenesis is not the optimal method for obtaining glucose.

                  Sugar addictions are simply nutrient deficiencies. Sugar is a nutrient.
                  Yes, and different types of sugars do different things in the body, especially as far as brain chemistry is concerned.
                  -Ryan Mercer my blog and Genco Peptides my small biz

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by MarkChopper View Post
                    All true. I just find it interesting that some can attribute a few grams of ingested sugar to some sort of psychosomatic craving or binging of sugar. If its something your body requires, i find it hard to believe one can be addicted. Instead maybe your body is trying to send you a message, like maybe gluconeogenesis is not the optimal method for obtaining glucose.

                    Sugar addictions are simply nutrient deficiencies. Sugar is a nutrient.
                    That is incorrect. Refined sugar is not a nutrient, in fact refunded sugar inhibits your body's ability to properly absorb any real nutrients you consume with it. Not all sugars are created equal. There are no physical or Psycological needs for refined sugar in the human body other than addiction. Also, sugar addictions are not nutrient deficiencies I'm not even sure how you came up with that one.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Liftinglife View Post
                      That is incorrect. Refined sugar is not a nutrient, in fact refunded sugar inhibits your body's ability to properly absorb any real nutrients you consume with it. Not all sugars are created equal. There are no physical or Psycological needs for refined sugar in the human body other than addiction. Also, sugar addictions are not nutrient deficiencies I'm not even sure how you came up with that one.
                      I 100% concur with sugar being a problem for many of us. Wasn't there talk a while back of how people's brains would 'light up' when fed sugar just like a heroin addicts brain does? I know if I abstain 100% from sugar, I'm fine, give me a piece of fudge and I want the whole plate.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Liftinglife View Post
                        That is incorrect. Refined sugar is not a nutrient, in fact refunded sugar inhibits your body's ability to properly absorb any real nutrients you consume with it. Not all sugars are created equal. There are no physical or Psycological needs for refined sugar in the human body other than addiction. Also, sugar addictions are not nutrient deficiencies I'm not even sure how you came up with that one.
                        Refined sugar = glucose/fructose. It is processed the same as any sugar you can find in nature. Dont know where you are coming up with the notion that it inhibits your bodies ability to absorb other nutrients. Your last two posts seem to have a lot of broscience in them.

                        Try adequately filling your glycogen stores on a daily basis and see if you still crave sugar.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by MarkChopper View Post
                          Refined sugar = glucose/fructose. It is processed the same as any sugar you can find in nature. Dont know where you are coming up with the notion that it inhibits your bodies ability to absorb other nutrients. Your last two posts seem to have a lot of broscience in them.

                          Try adequately filling your glycogen stores on a daily basis and see if you still crave sugar.
                          Oh so by your logic all fats are created equal too then, no matter if they are synthesized from plants or come from grass-fed animals.
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                          • #28
                            I'm genuinely curious, has someone actually started craving sugar after eating some bacon?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by MarkChopper View Post
                              Refined sugar = glucose/fructose. It is processed the same as any sugar you can find in nature. Dont know where you are coming up with the notion that it inhibits your bodies ability to absorb other nutrients. Your last two posts seem to have a lot of broscience in them.

                              Try adequately filling your glycogen stores on a daily basis and see if you still crave sugar.
                              I don't quote bro science. My glycogen stores are adequately fed at no more than 25g a day. I do not consume any refined sugar. This sugar comes from nuts, fruits, veggies only. And no I don't crave sugar. But if I have ONE Hershey Kiss, I will start to crave it. That is because refined sugar does not have the same chemical structure of natural sugars found in fruits/veggies. Therefore the body does not respond the same way. Your body has to work a lot harder to get ATP from the natural sugars than chemical sugars which are available immediately. Do you understand why diabetics can eat fruit but not cake? All sugars are broken down into metabolic building blocks by your body whether it comes from milk, fruit, or candy. The difference is in what the body can do with those different types of sugars after it's broken down. Any refined sugar is immediate available and rapidly absorbed into the blood stream causing a sudden rise in blood glucose levels, which over time wears out the pancreas. And sugars that are not burned off quickly are stored in the fat cells. Sugars from whole foods often have more soluble fiber which slows the release of sugar into the blood stream, and whole foods are also loaded with real nutrients like vitamins c, and antioxidants. If you still don't get it, I give up, your hopeless

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Liftinglife View Post
                                I don't quote bro science. My glycogen stores are adequately fed at no more than 25g a day. I do not consume any refined sugar. This sugar comes from nuts, fruits, veggies only. And no I don't crave sugar. But if I have ONE Hershey Kiss, I will start to crave it. That is because refined sugar does not have the same chemical structure of natural sugars found in fruits/veggies. Therefore the body does not respond the same way. Your body has to work a lot harder to get ATP from the natural sugars than chemical sugars which are available immediately. Do you understand why diabetics can eat fruit but not cake? All sugars are broken down into metabolic building blocks by your body whether it comes from milk, fruit, or candy. The difference is in what the body can do with those different types of sugars after it's broken down. Any refined sugar is immediate available and rapidly absorbed into the blood stream causing a sudden rise in blood glucose levels, which over time wears out the pancreas. And sugars that are not burned off quickly are stored in the fat cells. Sugars from whole foods often have more soluble fiber which slows the release of sugar into the blood stream, and whole foods are also loaded with real nutrients like vitamins c, and antioxidants. If you still don't get it, I give up, your hopeless
                                You made that up...

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