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  • Did anyone ever become obese from eating Primal?

    This is where I'm calling out nonsense on the myth that fast fat loss doesn't work. I used to believe that nonsense, but not anymore.

    There are countless theories out there talking about hormones and yada yada yada all in attempts to explain why people gain weight back after losing it too fast. Hmm... maybe because they went back to eating crap, that which made them fat in the first place?

    Primal eating works. It keeps you lean. And my bet is if someone started off obese and lost the weight relatively fast, then switched to eating primal instead of eating junk, they wouldn't gain the weight back and they'd stay relatively lean. And this would be regardless as to how they lost the weight.

    Think about it. How can they get obese from eating primal? This is assuming they are doing it properly along with periodic fasting. How can they fail? They can't. It'd be impossible. I am sure. And even if they did gain SOME weight back, it couldn't even compare to how much they'd gain by eating junk.

    Peace folks.

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    I could get obese on primal. Give me nuts and fruit on tap.
    Crohn's, doing SCD

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
      I could get obese on primal. Give me nuts and fruit on tap.
      Agreed on that. In general- I would say that there's a higher *chance* of staying thin with eating ad libidum only if you restrict carbs in a reasonable way.

      Bananas + nuts + almond butter and I'm pretty sure no one will resist that

      Side note- probably nobody ever promised you'd stay super thin on paleo/primal with binge eating all the time. Keeping yourself in good shape requires *some* effort always, regardless of the diet plan. It's just that natural, unprocessed foods + making sure insulin is in check, makes taking care of yourself just bearable long-term. Not having to fight your own biology usually makes it easier, LOL.

      Michał

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      • #4
        You wish. Maybe not obese, but keeping you lean is a joke. The problem arises when Primal food selection just doesn't keep a person full. Fasting is not something I can do without risking my job, no matter what macros. The whole:" You won't get hungry' never worked for me. I eat to fullness, I gain weight. Endlessly. I stopped restricting food intake last October and so far gained between good 15 lbs. 15 lbs in a year... at that rate it takes 1.5 more years for me to become overweight. Kindda scary.
        Last edited by Leida; 10-18-2013, 06:18 AM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ripped View Post
          This is where I'm calling out nonsense on the myth that fast fat loss doesn't work. I used to believe that nonsense, but not anymore.
          It does work.

          There are countless theories out there talking about hormones and yada yada yada all in attempts to explain why people gain weight back after losing it too fast. Hmm... maybe because they went back to eating crap, that which made them fat in the first place?
          Yep. After a crash diet of much too little, they usually return to old habits, (or at least closer too them).

          Primal eating works. It keeps you lean. And my bet is if someone started off obese and lost the weight relatively fast, then switched to eating primal instead of eating junk, they wouldn't gain the weight back and they'd stay relatively lean. And this would be regardless as to how they lost the weight.
          Think about it. How can they get obese from eating primal?
          That depends on the person entirely. It's quite easy to get obese eating primal.

          This is assuming they are doing it properly along with periodic fasting.
          Fasting not required. (Though I do so on occasion, but I don't eat primal at the moment anyway.)

          How can they fail? They can't. It'd be impossible. I am sure.
          Being a good enough cook and spoiling themselves? Overindulging on nuts and nut butters? I'm sure I could stuff myself full of almond butter until I want to puke, and then eat more all the same.

          And even if they did gain SOME weight back, it couldn't even compare to how much they'd gain by eating junk.
          Of course not. Comparing 100 grams of apple to 100 grams of cookies, and voila, you're already at a caloric deficit. But seriously, people can (and have) lost weight on junk food. But really, who eats just one cookie? Serving sizes are a joke.

          To answer the title, yes. But as you said, they were likely not doing it properly, but that can be said about multiple diets.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
            I could get obese on primal. Give me nuts and fruit on tap.
            4 nuts is about all your BMR allows you to eat per day, so for sure.
            Make America Great Again

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            • #7
              From eating too much of anything -- primal or not -- sure.

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              • #8
                My body is rigid in keeping me not fat, it's pretty nice.
                Make America Great Again

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                • #9
                  I gained a couple of pounds when I first started. I had to readjust some things. Because there is no complete, wholesome diet nowhere no how where I (just I) can free feed and not gain weight. I had two overweight parents and was a chubby child, so figure I'm metabolically cursed. That said, once I modified a few things, Primal eating is an easy way to lose and maintain.

                  To lose, eat the plan. Do not make things at the top of the pyramid (dark chocolate, nuts, cheese) your staples. Do not pour tons of coconut oil into everything you cook. Do not put a stick of butter in your morning coffee. It also isn't just about the food, but timing. When I see someone who posts they're eating Primal, but then see: breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, supper, I don't see that as Primal, but as grazing.

                  For me, it was simply eating too much, and adding more fat than I should have. In fact, just getting fat back in line with Mark's sample low carb menu was pretty much all I had to do. When I got here, a lot of people were experimenting with keto, and the fat ratios were through the roof. Way higher than recommended by the plan.

                  But obese? I haven't seen it posted on the forums, and I didn't experience it myself. To get obese, I pretty much have to eat like it's an Olympic event. But chubs is easy for me if I don't measure and count.
                  "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

                  B*tch-lite

                  Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                    To lose, eat the plan. Do not make things at the top of the pyramid (dark chocolate, nuts, cheese) your staples. Do not pour tons of coconut oil into everything you cook. Do not put a stick of butter in your morning coffee. It also isn't just about the food, but timing. When I see someone who posts they're eating Primal, but then see: breakfast, snack, lunch, snack, supper, I don't see that as Primal, but as grazing.

                    For me, it was simply eating too much, and adding more fat than I should have. In fact, just getting fat back in line with Mark's sample low carb menu was pretty much all I had to do. When I got here, a lot of people were experimenting with keto, and the fat ratios were through the roof. Way higher than recommended by the plan.
                    This was exactly what I was talking about. Butters and oils aren't primal at all, Grok wouldn't have had them available because they are processed. He also wouldn't have had unlimited amounts of nuts.

                    If you do it correctly, it really is a different story.

                    Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                    But obese? I haven't seen it posted on the forums, and I didn't experience it myself. To get obese, I pretty much have to eat like it's an Olympic event. But chubs is easy for me if I don't measure and count.
                    This was also what I was talking about. Leida mentioned the possibility of gaining 15 lbs per year while on primal. That really is nothing when compared to how much you can gain eating junk. Personally, I once gained 20 lbs in 10 weeks. I've also gained 40 lbs in 6 months. That's disgusting!!!

                    Anyways, like I said, if you were doing it correctly, it really is a different story. If you gained 15 lbs in a year, which isn't much, that's nothing that a little intermittent fasting couldn't take care of. If you did it right, you'd fast a little here and there and that'd solve the problem.

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                    • #11
                      Of course, it's all one's own fault and it is really super-simple. Starve to death and all will be just peachy. Dunno, I really wish there was a way to have a firm body without starving while keeping a desk job, but honestly. It is NOT simple. It's just not. Sleeplessness, deprivation, depression, inability to handle family meals and beeing at home in proximity to food... and being hungry, hungry, hungry. I tried eating all fat, protein, classical keto, cyclic ketonic, classic CW... the result is all the same. You eat normal portions enough to satisfy, not feeling like you've overate... good food... weight gain. Will I get obese? I don't know. For my height I guess it is 180-190 lbs to be considered obese. Well, call me in 5 years and I will tell you if someone can eat all non-processed food, work out, move a lot, and still become obese. My guess is that, sadly, yes.
                      Last edited by Leida; 10-18-2013, 08:51 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ripped View Post
                        Primal eating works. It keeps you lean. And my bet is if someone started off obese and lost the weight relatively fast, then switched to eating primal instead of eating junk, they wouldn't gain the weight back and they'd stay relatively lean. And this would be regardless as to how they lost the weight.
                        Eating primal works for me. I have lost 60 lbs this way (over 2 years). I have never counted calories and eat lots of fat. My steak is dripping in butter, coconut oil in my coffee, eat bacon. Every day. I still have ~20-30 lbs more I'd like to lose, so not sure if I will need to change it up as my weight gets lower, but so far so good. No matter how much I have stuffed myself, as long as it was primal, I have not gained weight. Stalled maybe, but never gone up. I keep getting leaner.

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                        • #13
                          Eating primal works for me. I have lost 60 lbs this way (over 2 years). I have never counted calories and eat lots of fat. My steak is dripping in butter, coconut oil in my coffee, eat bacon. Every day. I still have ~20-30 lbs more I'd like to lose, so not sure if I will need to change it up as my weight gets lower, but so far so good. No matter how much I have stuffed myself, as long as it was primal, I have not gained weight. Stalled maybe, but never gone up. I keep getting leaner.
                          Same for me. But here I sit at year three, those 50 pounds gone, stronger and healthier than ever, and I think "Hmm, only ten pounds less and my abs will be popping!" and I'm starting to think guzzling fat might be an impedance...now that I'm down to 17% body fat and wanting to go lower.
                          Crohn's, doing SCD

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Stacy15 View Post
                            Eating primal works for me. I have lost 60 lbs this way (over 2 years). I have never counted calories and eat lots of fat. My steak is dripping in butter, coconut oil in my coffee, eat bacon. Every day. I still have ~20-30 lbs more I'd like to lose, so not sure if I will need to change it up as my weight gets lower, but so far so good. No matter how much I have stuffed myself, as long as it was primal, I have not gained weight. Stalled maybe, but never gone up. I keep getting leaner.
                            This almost exactly me also. I reached a level of weight so low I am actively trying to add more calories everyday.

                            I really feel that when you have found the right WOE for YOU, it should be easy, easy to lower weight if needed, easy to do without feeling like you need to binge, and also feel decently energized and well on it. If it isn't then you have a journey on your hands having to play with the macros etc. etc. to find what does work. Also wanted to add that for me I keep myself to a strict schedule, no snacking. Breakfast lunch and dinner, that is it. No food after evening meal. I think if I changed that I would probably have no problem gaining, and feeling sluggish, bloated and awful in the process.
                            Last edited by Silvergirl; 10-18-2013, 10:45 AM.
                            Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
                            Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
                            Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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                            • #15
                              I hope you are right, but I know from personal experience how easy it is to go overboard on things that are "good for you." I can eat any number of fruit and vegetables all day long if I let myself. Of course, to do this I have to ignore my hunger signals- which I have grown expert at as an emotional eater. That said, you are ahead of the game just eating the things that are good for you, but too many calories is too many calories, period.

                              I have lost quite a bit of weight these first few weeks, although that is leveling out now and I am starting to basically stay the same (however, my measurements are still going down, so I believe I am actually gaining lean body mass- as if I didn't already have enough and possibly losing body fat, good things to be sure, but unexpected for me). I like the idea of finding my body's own equilibrium, ideal state, whatever that is advocated by this plan, though. So many plans focus on fitting into the cultural idea of what is healthy, they never really stop to think if it is healthy for the person in question. I now have at least 175 pounds of lean body mass on me and for my height, they want me at 136 to 160 pounds total or some such and given my lean body mass that is just an absurd number to try to reach. I am still trying to figure out where I would stop trying to lose weight when I hit it, but maybe my body will decide that for me. I don't know.

                              Tangent aside, you can become at the very least overweight eating just about anything if you aren't paying attention to what you are doing. This is why I tend to keep a food journal, even though the plan does not really advocate one. If I am not encouraging myself to actively think about protein to fat to carb ratios then I will blow through them or miss them entirely. Although, if I am paying attention, I am much less likely to do so. So, I think it depends on your personality, to a degree as well.

                              That's my two cents.
                              Stephanie
                              "The only person you are destined to become is the person you decide to be."- Ralph Waldo Emerson

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