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  • Anyone eat opposite of primal...high carb low fat?

    I know a few people are doing it from board searches I've seen. I'm beginning to think that might help me out some.

    I went low carb in 2011 and lost my period right before I wanted to get pregnant. I went from 132 to 120lbs...I'm 5'3. Then I gained back all the weight to get pregnant eating SAD again. At 136lbs I got pregnant. Gained 15lbs doing a moderate 100g carb a day pregnancy. Little jelly bean was born at 39 weeks via C-section due to not growing. She was 5lbs and 11oz. Makes me wonder if I shouldn't have eaten more carbs then too. After pregnancy, I immediately lost all the weight going back Primal but eating some starch...probably still 100g. I would eat paleo pancakes with bananas and almond butter, steak and sweet potatoes, etc. Lost my milk supply after 1 month. Jelly bean was always hungry. Made me so sad.

    After that, I stayed around 132lbs, but I began having crippling anxiety especially if I cut my carbs. I've tried upping the fat to crazy levels, but by day 3 of LCHF, I can't breathe. We're trying to conceive again, so I went on some pills since my cycles are still erratic (38 days). I'm now 142lbs and can't drop weight if I wanted to. I know low fat isn't ideal for baby-making BUT I'm not dropping it extremely low, and all my fat will still be good Paleo fats.

    I would just like to be back at 132lbs now....funny how you think of yourself as fat at a certain weight until you gain more weight. My BF percentage is good too, so I don't think trying to lose a little weight will hurt any of my efforts. The main thing I'm concerned is my doctor says I may be atypical PCOS with my cycles....meaning I show no normal symptoms of PCOS. Most PCOS people are helped by low carb...maybe I'm helped by high carb?

    Sorry for the long post...just wanted to give some background info. Thank you.

  • #2
    Opposite of Primal would be all processed foods/chemicals, no whole and real foods.
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    • #3
      Too many extremes. Why not try moderation for a while.
      Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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      • #4
        Maybe you should just eat a regular diet of healthy foods veggies, fruits healthy fats, not worry about high or low carbs, try to stay with whole grains, no processed foods, normal amount of fat and calories for your weight?

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        • #5
          Too many extremes. Why not try moderation for a while.
          +1

          You need to find the WOE that makes you feel well. I feel much better after I stopped trying to turn my eating into a concept, and just eat freshly prepared foods that make me feel full and happy, with a complete disregard for fat, protein and carbs ratio.
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          • #6
            For pregnancy, high carb from both sugar and starch is a good thing as well as keeping saturated fat relatively high. You want to cultivate a nutrient and calorie rich environment so your body does not perceive any outside threats (starvation). Fat loss and pregnancy dont mix at all.

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            • #7
              I also think moderation is the way for you to go, particularly for pregnancy and balance. Medium fat levels but add potato, maybe rice, and don't worry about how much fruit you have. You need to be very nourished.

              My Son was also not gaining weight at the end of my pregnancy, and I was on an everything diet at that time many moons ago we believed it to be related to low progesterone. I had to take progesterone in the first 18 weeks to get through. He was born at 6lbs, five days overdue.
              Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
              Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
              Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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              • #8
                Pregnant? Eat EVERYTHING real. Combining carbs and fats is excellent because it helps you gain weight and feed baby. You also sound like low-carb is NOT helping you attain balance and health. It only works if it works, and if you can't produce milk or get pregnant again, things are WRONG. Maybe try a 33/33/33 split or close to it for awhile, just to bring you back to baseline.
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                • #9
                  Yeah not pregnant yet but trying....love your Larry quote Knife btw!

                  I have been leaning more towards moderation lately. It seems to be a recurring theme in my life. I seem to always try to swing one way or the other.....I either have really short hair or super long hair.....I'm either eating really low carb or high carb. I think I will try some moderation since I'm trying to get pregnant. Who knows...maybe my body will balance itself out and decide to shed a few pounds lol.

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                  • #10
                    Good luck with both, GS! I hope you will do great on a moderate whole foods diet.
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                    • #11
                      Low carb or low fat is nothing but a bunch of fad diet nonsense. If you eat all the primal foods you want, you'll find yourself within the normal range. And that's where you want to be. My bet is that you'll still be under the 150 gram of carbs mark, which in my opinion isn't low carbs, it's just normal.

                      However, when you are not pregnant and not breast feeding, I'd say focus on calories for short periods of time when you really want to lose some fat. To do that you can fast from time to time, eat smaller meals, etc.. Also, think about the types of food you are eating when you do this. What you want is high volume low calories. So for meats, stick with the leaner cuts. Then for carbs, stick with the lower calorie stuff such as greens and peppers. Throw in a little bit of spices or fat for flavor and you are good to go.

                      Is it healthy to diet like that? If you have weight to lose, yes, because being of a healthy weight is more important. But you don't have to do it for a long time which would be unnecessary and unwanted anyways.

                      Think about it this way. For example, if you're 145 lbs and 115 lbs is a good weight for you, that means you have about 30 lbs to drop. Personally I've been able to lose 10 lbs in 6 weeks before. It isn't fun, but it can be done. What I'd do is split that up and do it 3 times over a 2 year period. That way you aren't rushing the fat loss for extended periods of time. Sure, it is uncomfortable during the cutting weeks, but you have to do it once in a while if you really want to drop the fat, and it's only for a handful of weeks anyways.

                      The rest of the year is spend mainly just working on maintenance. And during the maintenance period, you just eat what you want of healthy foods, do it 80/20 style, and fast once in a while to help keep balance.

                      I'm sure some will argue my point on this one. But realize that primal isn't a fat loss diet. And while Grok might have been leaner than your modern man Korg, he never had to focus on fat loss either. He didn't even have the opportunity to go 80/20 like Korg does either. If Korg eats in such a way that makes him gain way too much weight, he's going to have to eat differently than Grok did in order to lose it. Because if Grok went on a fat loss diet, he probably would have starved himself to death. Korg is going to have to eat differently than Grok did in order to lose the fat because Grok was never on a fat loss diet. Calorie restriction is required to drop the fat. Once the fat is gone and you are lean like Grok, you can resume to eating like Grok did and that will work to keep the fat off.

                      I hope that helps. I'm mainly just saying to eat healthy all year long. And if you've got extra fat, you'll have to drop the calories temporarily in order to make it go away. But DON'T do it while you are pregnant!!!

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                      • #12
                        Oh, one last thing. You should lose weight while you are breast feeding anyways. My sister actually ended up being in much better shape after breast feeding than she was before the got pregnant. I hear making milk requires A LOT of calories.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ripped View Post
                          Low carb or low fat is nothing but a bunch of fad diet nonsense. If you eat all the primal foods you want, you'll find yourself within the normal range. And that's where you want to be. My bet is that you'll still be under the 150 gram of carbs mark, which in my opinion isn't low carbs, it's just normal.

                          However, when you are not pregnant and not breast feeding, I'd say focus on calories for short periods of time when you really want to lose some fat. To do that you can fast from time to time, eat smaller meals, etc.. Also, think about the types of food you are eating when you do this. What you want is high volume low calories. So for meats, stick with the leaner cuts. Then for carbs, stick with the lower calorie stuff such as greens and peppers. Throw in a little bit of spices or fat for flavor and you are good to go.

                          Is it healthy to diet like that? If you have weight to lose, yes, because being of a healthy weight is more important. But you don't have to do it for a long time which would be unnecessary and unwanted anyways.

                          Think about it this way. For example, if you're 145 lbs and 115 lbs is a good weight for you, that means you have about 30 lbs to drop. Personally I've been able to lose 10 lbs in 6 weeks before. It isn't fun, but it can be done. What I'd do is split that up and do it 3 times over a 2 year period. That way you aren't rushing the fat loss for extended periods of time. Sure, it is uncomfortable during the cutting weeks, but you have to do it once in a while if you really want to drop the fat, and it's only for a handful of weeks anyways.

                          The rest of the year is spend mainly just working on maintenance. And during the maintenance period, you just eat what you want of healthy foods, do it 80/20 style, and fast once in a while to help keep balance.

                          I'm sure some will argue my point on this one. But realize that primal isn't a fat loss diet. And while Grok might have been leaner than your modern man Korg, he never had to focus on fat loss either. He didn't even have the opportunity to go 80/20 like Korg does either. If Korg eats in such a way that makes him gain way too much weight, he's going to have to eat differently than Grok did in order to lose it. Because if Grok went on a fat loss diet, he probably would have starved himself to death. Korg is going to have to eat differently than Grok did in order to lose the fat because Grok was never on a fat loss diet. Calorie restriction is required to drop the fat. Once the fat is gone and you are lean like Grok, you can resume to eating like Grok did and that will work to keep the fat off.

                          I hope that helps. I'm mainly just saying to eat healthy all year long. And if you've got extra fat, you'll have to drop the calories temporarily in order to make it go away. But DON'T do it while you are pregnant!!!

                          Thank you so much for this information! Good sound advice. I do have a big overeating problem. I get stressed and then eat really fast and then eat a little more of this and that...all primal, but not good to munch so much and eat so hurriedly I know. So something to work on for sure. I think it will help to not have so many restrictions other than real foods, though. Every meal was such a dilemma before cause no starches, no fruit (i'm a bit fructose intolerant)...limited dairy, etc. etc. It was crazy. I just want to be able to eat!!!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ripped View Post
                            Oh, one last thing. You should lose weight while you are breast feeding anyways. My sister actually ended up being in much better shape after breast feeding than she was before the got pregnant. I hear making milk requires A LOT of calories.
                            Yeah I found that out after my milk supply dried up. I should've done more research. I'll know better next time.

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                            • #15
                              It's not the opposite of primal, it's just a different approach.

                              I go by that path mostly because I naturally gravitate towards more starchy vegetables and I'm not a big fan of meat. It works for me, I've maintained my vanity weight.
                              F 28/5'4/100 lbs

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