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  • Originally posted by Urban Forager View Post
    Obviously you've never seen what happens when a kid gorges on fruit! Can't say as I've ever seen a kid overeat unflavored rice or potatoes.
    That's because unflavored rice or potatoes are almost completely unpalatable. Add a little butter, salt or beef broth. Watch how it changes. How does a kid gorge on fruit? I've seen kids eat and they either seem to not want to eat at all or gorge on everything. Kids are supposed to gorge - they are growing. The fact that fruit is appealing to a child - generally the pickiest of eaters - is a positive in fruit's corner. Have you ever seen a growing adult gorge on fruit? I haven't, and if it's happened it's because they were ravenous and would have gorged on practically anything.

    I can tell you after a workout I choose starch because I can eat a lot more of it in a sitting than I can fruit. Bake potatoes into fries and cover it in gravy and I'll be able to pack in A LOT. Fruit is much more self-limiting.
    Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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    • Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
      Why? An animal-only diet is less likely to create nutritional deficiencies. You can survive on an animal-only diet with no supplementation at all. Vegan diets are only "sustainable" due to supplementation, and I put "sustainable" in quotes because it's a pretty terrible lifestyle to sustain.
      susterrible?
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      • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
        I have a hard time imagining an all animal products diet having more PUFA's than an all plant diet.
        What? That makes no sense. Unless all someone eats is nuts and seeds. All animal products have pufa, some much more then others. Fruit and veg has minisqual amounts. I would never advocate a high fat vegan diet, tha would be absurd.

        Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
        Why? An animal-only diet is less likely to create nutritional deficiencies. You can survive on an animal-only diet with no supplementation at all. Vegan diets are only "sustainable" due to supplementation, and I put "sustainable" in quotes because it's a pretty terrible lifestyle to sustain.

        Absolutely. Unless you're going to make some kind of extreme like all CAFO pork vs all coconut, which is completely unrealistic. Almost never will an all-animal diet have more PUFA than an all-plant diet with equal % calories from fat.
        I just said why. Vitamins and minerals is not all that matters although you would technically be deficient in C and E on an all animal diet. You would get sick and die from the acidic and inflammatory state an all animal diet would put you in. I honestly dont know of anyone thriving on an all animal diet. Inuit accounts are conflicting at best, real life testimonials are very scarce which in and of itself shows that it is not a favorable diet to health. If it was, more would try it since i would say its just as extreme as eating all plants and there are millions who do that. Also the authorities of plant based diet vs the authorities of animal only diets show that plant based is indeed a healthier choice.

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        • Originally posted by Zach View Post
          What? That makes no sense. Unless all someone eats is nuts and seeds. All animal products have pufa, some much more then others. Fruit and veg has minisqual amounts[sic]. I would never advocate a high fat vegan diet, tha would be absurd.
          Tell me where these vegans are getting their protein if they're not eating nuts and seeds... Or can we synthesize our own protein?
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          • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
            susterrible?
            Vegans have a susterrible diet. ...I like that, Rich.

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            • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
              Tell me where these vegans are getting their protein if they're not eating nuts and seeds... Or can we synthesize our own protein?
              Come on, brosiph. You know there is no thing as a protein deficiency if adequet calories are taken in. There is protein in all foods, leafy veg, grains, tubers, legumes all have a decent amount of protein. Hell, 3k calories of fruit will get you 50-70g protein. Our bodies also recycle a good amount and of course we do synthesize non essential proteins. If you look at any health organization, their protein requirements are substantially lower then internet broscience.

              Plant only diets easily give enough protein for life, it wont be optimal for muscle building but thats just a lifestyle choice.

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              • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                Come on, brosiph. You know there is no thing as a protein deficiency if adequet calories are taken in. There is protein in all foods, leafy veg, grains, tubers, legumes all have a decent amount of protein. Hell, 3k calories of fruit will get you 50-70g protein. Our bodies also recycle a good amount and of course we do synthesize non essential proteins. If you look at any health organization, their protein requirements are substantially lower then internet broscience.

                Plant only diets easily give enough protein for life, it wont be optimal for muscle building but thats just a lifestyle choice.
                So your argument is that because veganism can keep one from dying of straight up starvation that it's healthier than eating a diet based on eggs and grass-fed ruminant flesh and milk?
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                • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                  So your argument is that because veganism can keep one from dying of straight up starvation that it's healthier than eating a diet based on eggs and grass-fed ruminant flesh and milk?
                  Thats not what im saying at all. Your the one thinking that you need protein from animal sources or you will die or something. I simply replied to your post. And btw, people are thriving on plant based diets, i know you dont wanna hear it, but there are.

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                  • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                    Thats not what im saying at all. Your the one thinking that you need protein from animal sources or you will die or something. I simply replied to your post. And btw, people are thriving on plant based diets, i know you dont wanna hear it, but there are.
                    Holy strawman. Of course people can thrive on plant-based diets. Veganism isn't a plant-based diet, it's an animal-excludingdiet.

                    And yeah, you need protein from animal sources for optimal health. You absolutely do. It's sub-optimal to survive without animal-sourced proteins.

                    You know people thrive on animal based diets too. Ever heard of the Maasai?
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                    • Originally posted by RichMahogany View Post
                      Holy strawman. Of course people can thrive on plant-based diets. Veganism isn't a plant-based diet, it's an animal-excludingdiet.

                      And yeah, you need protein from animal sources for optimal health. You absolutely do. It's sub-optimal to survive without animal-sourced proteins.

                      You know people thrive on animal based diets too. Ever heard of the Maasai?
                      Haha, ok dude. I disagree but its not worth arguing about.

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                      • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                        Haha, ok dude. I disagree but its not worth arguing about.
                        If it's not worth arguing about, why is this forum here?!
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                        • Originally posted by CaliforniaGirl View Post
                          I have been on this website and have been doing Primal since June and have been very health conscious and low carb for many, many years before that. I had never even heard of Ray Peat before coming here. I read some recent posts about Ray Peat and was quite shocked by some of the advice. I don't mean to be disrespectful to anyone's belief systems, I really don't, but I have to ask some questions. Why exactly is white sugar and orange juice supposed to be good for you? And why are salmon and avocados bad? I have read thousands and thousands of reputable health books and websites over the years and have never heard of such things. Please enlighten me. Thanks.
                          Peat says polyunsaturated fats, not grains or sugar, are the main cause of modern health problems. If you can't or don't want to read his articles, you can read websites like Danny Roddy; he has written a book called The Peat Whisperer.

                          This blog post might help you also:
                          The Peat-atarian Diet For Those Of Us With Average IQs

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                          • Originally posted by chocotaco369 View Post
                            i did. Both mentally and physically. It is akin to suicidal. To be vegan, you have to hate yourself, and that is not healthy.
                            b.s.
                            Few but ripe.

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                            • Originally posted by Zach View Post
                              Look guys, im not disagreeing with most of this. I guess maybe im just more spiritually advanced, all that animal meat might be bogging down your chakras.

                              I'm just trying to imagine a hypothetic situation where Zach might encounter, say, an aboriginal bushman or a commanche or some other member of a tribal society and tell them that he's "more spiritual" than them because their chakras are all clogged up from all that meat they eat!

                              The irony here, way beyond the sheer hubris of this statement, is that the people's I'd consider the most in touch with nature and the most "spiritual" none are trying to subsist on a plant only diet. Hunting of one sort or another is an integral part of all of the societies we've ever encountered that live close to nature. The whole veganism thing is a wholly modern thing. You simply would die if you tried to live off the land that way. I've known folks who have tried. And it takes a lot of modern processed food: soy, pea protein, fruit shipped in from all over the world, etc. just to make this way of eating even marginally viable to live. Again, try living off the land eating no animals. I dare you. Try it and tell us how it goes.

                              You have a belief system that meat "clogs chakras". Hardly scientific, but hey it's your belief system. Other people have belief systems that honor the animals they eat. Who is to say that you are more "spiritually advanced" for your belief system? Having grown up gay in the south and having to endure fundamentalists, I'm always leery of folks claiming spiritual superiority or that their way is the only way. It's actually pretty frightening how much veganism looks and feels like that fundamentalism I encountered growing up.

                              There was a great video I watched in College where the BBC visit this ridiculously remote tribe in South America. The tribe elders did a whole role reversal on the BBC crew. They called their people "elder brother" and the folks out in the "civilized" world "younger brother". They were telling the BBC folks to get the word out to younger brother out in the rest of the world that they needed to stop doing all the foolish things they were doing before it was too late. The BBC folks went from being bemused to kinda blown away at how they were probably actually right.

                              So before you start assuming that you are the more enlightened one here, maybe you should take a listen to folks like Savory and Salatin. There's a whole perspective that's goes way beyond "don't eat something with a face" which I find a lot more spiritually advanced.
                              Apathy is tyranny's greatest ally.

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                              • It was a joke.

                                But im definitely more enlightened then you.

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