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  • #16
    Pour fat on everything and have a couple of bulletproof coffees...
    "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

    - Schopenhauer

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    • #17
      Originally posted by jenhamer View Post
      Afraid bacon is out. I used to just eat fish but now manage chicken and eggs aswell to add a bit more variety but have tried all other meats and really don't like. I have been following paleo for about 1 month so I would have thought I would have gone past the 'carb flu' stage and feel more energised when I try to run? I am hoping the reason is because I am so underweight and if I weight more then my running will become easier again as I am missing the enjoyment it has previously brought me. Its no fun when each step is an effort? Hopefully it will improve?
      Too bad you are sticking to fish... are you open for seafood? if so, try to eat things like oysters, crab, lobster, shellfish those sort of things... they are normally high in nutrition value. Things like crab meat is nice in salad as well. Also try sardines with your salad, they are nice and fatty.

      If you are that long on the wagon chances of being carb-flu are smaller but still possible. Your body is probably used to work on a low intake of calories and sugar so maybe it only now started to notice the change and adapting to it.
      But more likely is indeed that you are eating not enough for your body to keep up with the workout schedule. you need to work towards a better balance... some people had some great ideas around here...

      Just take it easy, give your stomach time and your body time, miracles won't happen overnight...
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      • #18
        Originally posted by jenhamer View Post
        Thank you for those who replied with good advice and tops, it's nice to get some real advice rather thantdhose who just insult my original post and tell me to eat more which sounds easier said than done. Regarding my bedtime snack it is actually quite tasty as the yogurt, fruit and nuts are all mixed together which I quite like. One last question I would like some help on is I have always been a keen runner and competed at county and national level. However due to injury I no longer compete at that level. However when I was competing I was not following a paleo lifestyle. I ate plenty of pasta, carbs, protein, veg, basically anything within reason and had lots of energy to run and compete. Since I have started paleo I find running so hard, just picking my legs up they. Feel heavy and energy less. Why would this be? Would it be because I am underweight? Or not eating enough fat? Or a combination of the two. I just want to know that a paleo diet can give me the energy to feel great when running? Please help?
        Sorry you felt offended when I suggested you should eat more and exercize less. In a nutshell, that is what you need to do. You are starving yourself and that makes me feel sad for you. I admit that I can't relate because I really like good food.

        To be as exhausted as you are is a little scary.

        I suggest more carbs if you have to choose one macro.

        Good luck in your journey.

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        • #19
          Thanks again guys. Am going to really try to work this. I know it is a case of eating more and more but like I said for me that is easier said than done but fingers crossed I will be able to do it and then feel great. I would love to be able to post a success story on Marks site in a few months time saying I have managed to gain the needed weight and have boundless energy living paleo ? Wish me luck x

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          • #20
            I know you will be a success story because you are determined.

            I want to make you some really good Tom Kha soup.

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            • #21
              Ha Ha thank you oceangrl, lets hope so. You can make me the soup, may be a bit difficult to transport it lol x

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              • #22
                Oh shoot..just saw where you are. I just spent ten days in Yorkshire ( Harrogate) and 4 days in London. I was bored. I SO would have come cooked for/with you.

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                • #23
                  I understand your situation. I have been struggling to stay the same weight and not lose more, which is REALLY weird for me. Ditching the grains has really done that to me. You at around 93lbs and me around 96 but I am slightly over an inch shorter than you. I can't imagine trying to keep my weight up on your diet, for me lots of fatty meats, wish luscious fatty sauces, oils and potato have helped, and I do very little exercise. I think the smoothie idea is a good one, easy to add lots of fat and yumminess to that which is easy to drink. I also had pancakes like you this morning but always have about 4 rashers of bacon on top of that. I always have dessert after a meal of fruits,mainly berries covered in coconut cream or have coconut ice-cream. Rice pudding is something I would have if I could have dairy, but it just isn't the same with coconut cream. I wouldn't worry too much about the safe grains, or a little sugar given weight is on the low side, I find those things stimulate my appetite. Good luck, I don't think I could do it without mega meat.
                  Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
                  Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
                  Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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                  • #24
                    Thanks silvergirl, yes its so hard. That was why I was having the gluten free oatcake with my lunch and sometimes dinner, as it was easy calories to add in, but obviously not enough. But then some members have told me to ditch it completely. I know my body is not right as I don't menustrate which is my main concern as I would like children in the future so know I need to sort it out. whats your view on carb intake, im thinking mine must be too low for someone of my activity level but not sure? Also do you think its possible to overdose on protein amount, for example my protein today would consist of 2 eggs, 1 chicken breast, 30g of feta, 100g of natural yogurt, whole seam bream, and then any protein in all my veggies? Still very confused as to whether this lifestyle is going to work for me. I really want it too as I believe its the healthiest way to live (despite my parents saying its orthorexia). Reasure me?

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                    • #25
                      Hehe... when I clicked on this thread I was honestly expecting to see a huge list of food, things I could never eat without gaining weight. Then I would click away in disgust. But you're actually eating a lot like I do, and I'm in the process of losing weight. You might be eating less! I would cut down on the exercise a bit and try to include more small, nutrient rich foods like nuts and avocado. Maybe smoothies? Those are easy to get down. A smoothy right after a workout is nice. Hope this helps!
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by jenhamer View Post
                        Thanks silvergirl, yes its so hard. That was why I was having the gluten free oatcake with my lunch and sometimes dinner, as it was easy calories to add in, but obviously not enough. But then some members have told me to ditch it completely. I know my body is not right as I don't menustrate which is my main concern as I would like children in the future so know I need to sort it out. whats your view on carb intake, im thinking mine must be too low for someone of my activity level but not sure? Also do you think its possible to overdose on protein amount, for example my protein today would consist of 2 eggs, 1 chicken breast, 30g of feta, 100g of natural yogurt, whole seam bream, and then any protein in all my veggies? Still very confused as to whether this lifestyle is going to work for me. I really want it too as I believe its the healthiest way to live (despite my parents saying its orthorexia). Reasure me?
                        Maybe include some potatoes, if you can? Personally I love fried potatoes, you could easily add them to the fish. Have you read the Perfect Health Diet? It's a really good book and might help.
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                        • #27
                          Thanks Wildrose, no have not read the book, but will have a look on amazon for it. have taken on all the advise from my fellow primal friends here and gonna give it a shot

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                          • #28
                            No matter what your eating, the amount of exercise you're doing, you WILL be burning through large amounts of glycogen. All this advice to up fat is DANGEROUS, if you aren't eating lots of protein and carbs or big amounts of each macro individually you are heading for a big crash. To replace your glycogen currently your body will probably choose to catabolise your extremely precious body tissue. At least with your CW runners diet you where getting lots of carbs to replace glycogen.

                            My recommendation for you would be to eat primal carbs at every meal and at the same meals eat lots of quality protein. This will put you into an anabolic state (where you store stuff into your body). I also recommend not eating large amounts of veggies, this will waste stomach space you need for carbs and protein.

                            Both eating fat and exercising puts your body into a catabolic state. You need to be in an anabolic state, this happens when you rest and eat carbs and also protein to a lesser extent. I'm not surprised your legs feel heavy.


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                            • #29
                              either you're going to have to stretch your stomach and just eat until you're uncomfortably full,

                              reduce your exercise by a lot,

                              or consume tons of high-calorie-density foods like coconut oil, butter (TONS), clean Ice Cream (Haagen Dazs), cheese, nut butter, etc.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by jenhamer View Post
                                Thanks silvergirl, yes its so hard. That was why I was having the gluten free oatcake with my lunch and sometimes dinner, as it was easy calories to add in, but obviously not enough. But then some members have told me to ditch it completely. I know my body is not right as I don't menustrate which is my main concern as I would like children in the future so know I need to sort it out. whats your view on carb intake, im thinking mine must be too low for someone of my activity level but not sure? Also do you think its possible to overdose on protein amount, for example my protein today would consist of 2 eggs, 1 chicken breast, 30g of feta, 100g of natural yogurt, whole seam bream, and then any protein in all my veggies? Still very confused as to whether this lifestyle is going to work for me. I really want it too as I believe its the healthiest way to live (despite my parents saying its orthorexia). Reasure me?
                                No I don't think you need to worry that you are having too much protein, I am most likely having more. As far as the GF cookie is concerned, I personally have been having the odd GF/dairy/egg free cookie myself to try and up my calories, but I have found that I don't really feel good on them, they do help with the intake, but I have more energy and feel less bloated without them. I prefer to keep away from the GF baked goods. I think it could be a good idea to not have them for a little while, then reintroduce to see if you really are doing ok on them, sometimes those things are just what is making us tired and off. They don't usually have great nutrients in them anyway. I just made a batch of popsicles by blending frozen mango chucks, banana, a can of coconut milk and a tbsp of maple syrup. I make that sort of thing a lot more now to up the calories. I also think it Primal is the best way to live, but I am still testing out and learning things. Has your thyroid been checked? could you be at all hyperthyroid? With all your running etc. it sounds like you have a lot of energy you feel the need to release, it also would cause over weight loss and lack of menses. As to carb levels I think you have to try different levels to see what works for you. Particularly as you are exercising so much. Starchy carb like a rice pudding would up those levels really fast is it isn't a problem for you. You have to experiment a lot, one thing at a time to see what works for you body Potato too is a good help. I do think you probably should up your carb levels and see the impact.
                                Last edited by Silvergirl; 09-21-2013, 07:22 PM.
                                Started Primal June 2012 at 148.5lbs, and 5' 1", reached goal weight in 5 months.
                                Lowest weight 93lbs - too thin. Now stable at around 100lbs much better weight for me at my age.
                                Primal, minus eggs, dairy and a myriad of other allergens.

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