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  • Is it possible that some of us are doomed to be fat forever?

    I'm talking about stubborn fat. "Those last 5-10 pounds". I have been stuck with them for one whole damn year!!! And I am noticing that I'm not the only one in the forum. I am getting sick of this! Low carb, zero carb, carnivore, HIIT, strength training, IF every single day, nothing makes it go away.
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    Have you tried no carb no more than 15% protein and less than 4% PUFAs yet? Omega 6 causes leptin resistance, heightened cortisol, inflammation, etc which is why a lot of people find nuts to be fattening disproportionately to their total calories.

    Essentially that would mean grass fed beef, coconut oil, erm, yeah that's about it! i think supplements would be needed.


    Other than that I got nothing. Sounds frustrating!
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    • #3
      This is all I have been eating for the past few months with no results:

      Eggs, beef, chicken, butter, olive oil, cheese (gave it up a week ago)

      Does that sound like too much PUFA's? I don't eat nuts at all. I also take 5-10 grams of fish oil daily.

      Do you think maybe a carb "cheat" here and there would do the trick for this leptin thing? Or just straight zero carb?

      edit: as for my protein intake, it's always between 25-30% of calories.
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      • #4
        Eggs have quite a bit, chicken has a lot, olive oil has about as much as eggs. Good stuff with the fish oil although I suspect that leptin gets messed with even if you have adequate omega 3, though that tends to mitigate a lot of potential inflammation and it most definitely a good move for overall health.

        With regards to carb cheats, I've heard they help and I have seen a study where people people stalled on low carb started eating some more carbs in the morning and lost weight so it's possible.
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        • #5
          And you could try switching out the butter for coconut oil. I don't know if it would help but butter gives me acne because of my casein intolerance. That could mean some inflammation, leptin suppression, cortisol, etc.
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          • #6
            I eat 12 eggs a day and that's only 8 grams of PUFA's... I don't know if that's a lot.

            I'll try having some carbs this weekend and see how that goes. Although I did try this in the past... however it was a whopping ~500 grams of carbs every Sunday (back when I was training for powerlifting). That didn't help much in terms of weight loss.
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            • #7
              That's a lot for me. I try to keep my omega 6 to about 8g a day, not to use the Grok crutch but he wasn't eating very much omega 6 and his ratio was 1:1. I can't really say what daily requirement is but whatever it is I think that optimal health to the point of being sickeningly obsessive would be within a couple of grams of it. it certainly has no utility in excess of the basic requirements like saturated and monounsaturated fat do. Excess omega 6 generally doesn't get used for anything good but gets stored away in the tissues and turned into excess pro-inflammatory eicosanoids. Linoleic acid is the worst but I think too much arachidonic acid from eggs and chicken and the like is bad too.

              The carb thing could be a good idea or a really bad one. No comment on that.
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              • #8
                But to answer my first question, is it possible that I am doomed to be like this forever? I feel like I should just quit trying to lose weight and focus more on strength training, because they're conflicting goals.
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                • #9
                  I wonder, for me, if it has to do with being late stage peri-menopausal. The remainder of my obvious fat is in my lower abdomen-- the place where estrogen producing fat is stored.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rphlslv View Post
                    But to answer my first question, is it possible that I am doomed to be like this forever? I feel like I should just quit trying to lose weight and focus more on strength training, because they're conflicting goals.
                    I think that is distinctly possible. Why worry about being 5 lbs overweight? It does not affect your health and you are slimmer than most other people. I would suggest that you focus on lifestyle goals generally and forget about the weight. Generally that would include getting good sleep, eating a good diet and exercising. Your body may be one the responds better to strength training. I suspect the weight will edge off slowly if you stop watching it! You will certainly be happier if you set some new goals.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by jo View Post
                      I think that is distinctly possible. Why worry about being 5 lbs overweight?
                      Exactly what I was going to write. 5-10 pounds don't make anyone fat. You are just not as skinny as the athletes and super models, you and 99.9% of the population. Enjoy your food and forget about the weight. And there is always plastic surgery if you must.
                      Height: 5'4" (1.62 m)
                      Starting weight (09/2009): 200 lb (90.6 kg)
                      No longer overweight (08/2010): 145 lb (65.6 kg)
                      Current weight (01/2012): 127 lb (57.5 kg)

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                      • #12
                        Maybe the last 5-10lb is the optimum buffer between being light enough to move easily, but still have a couple of weeks' fat stores in case of emergency.
                        There was a post on a similar vein on free the animal, http://freetheanimal.com/2010/04/nat...re-ripped.html

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                        • #13
                          I agree...from a survival standpoint that supermodel shredded look might not be what our body considers to be an optimal condition. It might not be the healthiest either. Unfortunately society has hammered into our heads that this is what is most attractive.

                          To be honest...I'm more attracted to females with some "extra-stores" than the two by fours going up and down runways.

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                          • #14
                            I think we can get a little too obsessed with perfection, but the answer to your question I say NO, you can do anything you want to. Just don't quit trying, it will happen, it's just not happening as fast as you want it to. Do some more fasting, change things up, shock your system with different work outs. Maybe that will help.

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                            • #15
                              I don't think anyone's really doomed to be fat forever... but it's true that one's goals need to be properly set. If your goals are to get down to really low levels of body fat, the typical PB guidelines may not work for all people. It seems that you do need to pay attention to some details when trying to really hammer down the last couple of % of bf... and even when you do, it's easy to put those last bit of fat that you lost, back on... I'd suggest getting deeper understandings from lyle mcdonald's site and book, the stubborn fat solution and from leangains.com. They both have explanations and suggestions for you to get down to real low body fat,... but again,... you must consider what you have to do to get down to those levels (not the easiest things to follow)

                              Lyle's protocals are basically to consume yohimbe prior to sprint drills, and then to rest for 5 mins then to do low cardio... all this after a low carb diet of at least 4 days. (his book really drills down into fat loss)

                              Martin from leangains suggests using the 16hour IF cyle with 8 hour feeding times and using BCAA prior to HIT and then to carb load on those days, and to eat primally on rest days...

                              From personal experience, these protocals both work. But I have not used any BCAA nor Yohimbe as suggested and I still got the results that I wanted. Having said that, I'm not nearly as ripped as martin berkhan,.. but i'm okay with that. Hope these resources help you on your journey to your goals.

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