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    Hey guys,

    I still live with my parents, and I think they'd get a heart attack if I even mention Primal. (The sat fat, "lack" of fibers and added vitamins to the bread etc. etc.)

    So I can't eat Primally right now, but I'm wondering what type of bread (white, whole grain, whole wheat) is better. I tried to eat just eggs in the morning and salads for lunch, and then my Stepdad insisted that I ate bread with it, because of the "vitamins" (which are added) and the fibers. :/

    So what kind of bread is least damaging? What has the least sugar in it? (If that's even possible with all the added sugar. )

    I'm not sure if Mark has done a post on it (if he did, I have trouble finding it). I did see the post about rice, but that one's pretty old, I think, and we don't eat rice very often. (If we do, there's always some kind of carb or starch with it. CW brainwash, I suppose.)
    "Bread-Bread-Dinner
    It ain't makin' me any thinner
    I eat a sandwich for break-fast
    And then I have a sugar blast!
    I eat toasted bread for lunch
    And enjoy my mid-day crunch!
    At dinner I eat pasta
    And end my day with a sugar disasta!"

    From the How am I not starving??? thread. Enjoy the read.

  • #2
    Sourdough fermented breads are the best. If you're one of those really modern wheat phobic types then you get get spelt or emmer breads. Get the ones without or with at least minimum oil.

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    • #3
      Sourdough is the best, and also tastes the best. Grilled cheese with sourdough bread is amazing.
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      • #4
        Well, if it has to be a gluten bearing grain, I would say either old strain of wheat (einkorn, spelt) or rye bread, and possibly from sprouted grains. You can always go to the gluten free aisle and get something based on potato / maize / rice starch. As long as it was not bathing in poly-unsaturated fats in its making, especially seed oils, then it would be benign.

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        • #5
          Mark has mentioned sourdough bread here and here. It's easy enough to make, but a little lengthy if you're not purchasing your own yeast. We have a starter here where I live. It's practically too easy not to make.

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          • #6
            from commercial breads, sprouted grains varieties are probably better, & pumpernickel. Could you ask for a glass of milk or a boiled potato instead once in a while, and slowly switch to it so your changes are not too shocking to your folks?
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            • #7
              Start complaining of intestinal upset after you eat bread. Nothing major just the feeling of bloating and gas. Set a precedent and after a while mention you feel less bloated on days without bread then mention you want to try a week without it to see what happens and at the same time increase the veggie content of each meal so Step dad thinks you are still getting enough fibre and vitamins.

              After a week or 3 announce that you feel much better and want to try going gluten free for your health you understand.

              or go with sourdough which is yummy but still.

              then start doing research, print up some studies and show dad the science behind why you may have started feeling sick on bread. then find studies about vegetable oils, meat sat fat etc. slowly educate him as you experiment to see why you got so sick.

              slow and sneaky wins where force is resisted.
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              • #8
                Ezekial bread is probably a lesser evil. It's sprouted grain.

                If you have to choose between really ordinary breads, by law if the label says 100% Whole Wheat on the front it has to actually be whole wheat flour, not white flour with coloring or white flour with extra fiber and seeds added. Back when I ate bread I would check for that plus read the label on the back for other additives. Then I'd be a little more certain it was actually bread.

                When I was a child I had a lot of allergies and I was only allowed to eat rye crisp/hard tack or bisquick biscuits. I was allergic to yeast, not gluten. I'd say hard tack is probably a decent choice, but unless you're from the mid-west people will probably not have any idea what that is.
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                • #9
                  Oatcakes as well would be worth considering, not sure how easy they are to get outside of Scotland, my partner gets Nairns brand, the ingredients are just fine oatmeal, palm fat and salt. I have one spread with 1/4 inch of good butter and it seems fairly benign to me. A lot of the more artisan types of oatmeal have unnamed "vegetable shortening" as their fat. Traditionslly it was bacon fat that was used but try finding any for sale made with that nowadays! I don't cook bacon otherwise I'd try making some...

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                  • #10
                    I'd say you let him make you a sandwich, then toss the bread in the garbage when he isn't looking. Theres plenty of articles out there on the benefits of saturated fats. Maybe you should print a few of them out and tell him to read them to try and break some of that conventional wisdom.

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                    • #11
                      The best option would be sourdough bread, followed by sprouted grain bread.

                      If you HAD to choose some type of ordinary store-bought bread, find white bread with as few ingredients as possible. It may not be very nutritious, and it still contains gluten, but you will at least avoid the anti-nutrients and insoluble fiber found in whole wheat.

                      I do agree with others, though, try adding in potatoes and white rice instead of bread. Don't give them a nutritional explanation, just say you like them more.

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                      • #12
                        Wow. I didn't expect so many reactions. Thanks, guys!

                        Oopsie. Waaay too long post.

                        There's this bakery in town that bakes bread with spelt, I'll have to see if they have sourdough too. And see if I can buy two and freeze one, so I don't have to bike an hour just to get a loaf of bread. :s

                        I did try to go sneaky, complaining of bloating and stomach ache. The only response I get is: "Me too. I ate way too much." Blerg. But I'm due to go to my family's physician soon, and I'll just explain it there and ask if I can get a test for celiac or gluten intolerance. (They don't need to know it when/if it comes back negative... but that might get me in trouble later if they find out. So that's not really a good idea, I guess. Nah, let's not do that.)

                        Whenever I buy white bread, Mom freaks out because there's no fiber in it. There is, but just less than in wheat and whole wheat bread. (she thinks that fiber's the seeds and the pits by the way) And someone always tosses it out after 3 days! (but that goes for all the bread. It gets a bit dry after a few days, but I told them that I put it in the toaster so it doesn't matter for me. But I still have to "save" bread .) But that's an option too, yeah. I like white bread better than the dry whole grain/whole wheat anyway.

                        But the bottom line should be: I "like" the bread/rice/potatoe/whatever is closest to Primal, so I'll eat it. End of story. They shouldn't want to argue about a personal preference/choice. Hmm... now I think of that, I might just print out information about Paleo (because that doesn't have so much sat fat and stuff, less of a shocker.. and then just add fat to it when they're not paying attention. ) and tell them: "I'd like to try to eat like that, I think it'll make me feel more energetic and more in touch with my emotions. (Mom's afraid I'm blocking my emotions, or shutting myself off from them.) Hey Mom, you were complaining about those 20 kilo's you still need to lose, right? Why not join me, we can make it a competition."
                        And then just have a weekly "cheat" day with bread/potatoes. I see a very small chance of it working.

                        In case you're suggesting switching potatoes for bread in the mornings, that's not going to happen, I'm afraid. One time, I'd bought a small bag of about 4-5 sweet potatoes, and I made them for dinner for two days (On Fridays, we all cook our own dinner and sometimes they eat out together, so I have to cook my own dinner as well.) and I had one left. So I decided to eat it for breakfast on Saturday. Big mistake. I slipped and mentioned it my Mom, and they were both acting like I was crazy.

                        Mom: "For breakfast?!"
                        Me: "Uh, yeah.. There's only one left and I'm going to Dad's for the weekend. I'm afraid it'll go bad if I wait for two days."
                        Stepdad: "But a potatoe isn't breakfast! You should eat bread, or cereal!"
                        Me: "In America and England it's normal to have a warm breakfast... It's not that strange. And I like warm food."
                        Mom (getting a bit angry): "This isn't America. This is The Netherlands. We eat bread for breakfast!"

                        I still ate it in the morning, and my Mom didn't talk to me at all that morning, before my Dad picked me up. :s
                        Things like that make my wonder if I'm just the weird one.
                        But my Dad and I had a good laugh about it. He doesn't eat breakfast, apart from on the weekends. He just has some coffee. I think he'd even let me have deserts for breakfast and be fine with it, lol.
                        "Bread-Bread-Dinner
                        It ain't makin' me any thinner
                        I eat a sandwich for break-fast
                        And then I have a sugar blast!
                        I eat toasted bread for lunch
                        And enjoy my mid-day crunch!
                        At dinner I eat pasta
                        And end my day with a sugar disasta!"

                        From the How am I not starving??? thread. Enjoy the read.

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                        • #13
                          Go live with your dad!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Goldie View Post
                            Go live with your dad!
                            Haha, wish I could!

                            But, he has a burn-out and isn't working right now, so me living with him would just cost him extra money (especially if I'd eat Primally, even if it isn't grass-fed). And cause him more stress (not intentionally of course, but it'd take some time to get used to.)

                            And it isn't that bad at home, with Mom & Stepdad. They're fine with most other things, such as my tattoo and potentially future piercing (they're just CW health-nuts), (Dad's totally against tattoos and tried to guilt-trip me into not taking one by saying that "by taking that tattoo you're showing me that you don't care about my opinion and advise.")... but apart from tats, Dad's open-minded about just anything.
                            "Bread-Bread-Dinner
                            It ain't makin' me any thinner
                            I eat a sandwich for break-fast
                            And then I have a sugar blast!
                            I eat toasted bread for lunch
                            And enjoy my mid-day crunch!
                            At dinner I eat pasta
                            And end my day with a sugar disasta!"

                            From the How am I not starving??? thread. Enjoy the read.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by The_Introvert_Huntress View Post
                              He doesn't eat breakfast, apart from on the weekends. He just has some coffee.
                              Wise dad

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