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  • #31
    Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
    Wow, two strawmen in one post. First of all, I never claimed I was an expert, and nowhere did I say sugar is "healthy" (whatever that means to you). What do you mean by sugar? Fructose? Sucrose? Lactose? Glucose? High Fructose Corn Syrup? I suggest you read the article I posted earlier by Stephan Guyenet, as it does a great job explaining my position on sugar at this point.

    I'll also go ahead and point out that the topic of this thread is an article claiming that sugar is evil. The burden of proof is on those who claim sugar is 'evil' or 'toxic' or 'deadly'. I'm not saying anyone should be guzzling table sugar, although there are quite a few people on this forum who eat tons of sugar (table sugar, fruit sugar) daily and are very lean (myself included).
    Thanks anyway.

    I'm interested in meta analysis studies pointing out the health benefits of table sugar and any other forms of sugar.

    And any that prove sugar cures cavities and will stop gums from bleeding after eating sugar for a period of time.
    Last edited by Cookie`; 09-17-2013, 11:34 AM. Reason: And...

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    • #32
      Sucrose is just a simple Carb.
      Abuse it, and it will abuse you.
      Its a poison to unhealthy diet.
      Not much else to say.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Cookie` View Post
        Thanks anyway.

        I'm interested in meta analysis studies pointing out the health benefits of table sugar and any other forms of sugar.
        Hmmm. It seems you don't hold yourself or your guru Lustig to the same standards. What a shame, your dogma has become blinding. If you're incapable of having an intelligent discussion, just say so. Otherwise, have a good one.
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        • #34
          I'm very capable.

          Can you not post links to such studies or do they not exist?

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          • #35
            Lustig isn't my guru.

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            • #36
              I'll also go ahead and point out that the topic of this thread is an article claiming that sugar is evil. The burden of proof is on those who claim sugar is 'evil' or 'toxic' or 'deadly'. I'm not saying anyone should be guzzling table sugar, although there are quite a few people on this forum who eat tons of sugar (table sugar, fruit sugar) daily and are very lean (myself included).
              Lustig isn't wrong. His point is sound although I can see taking issue with some of the over the top dramatic claims, however. What gets me is that none of the regular sugar lovers on this forum can post any supporting evidence showing that copious amounts of sugar are health promoting. Copy pasting single metabolic processes, as if any of them occur in isolation in your body, doesn't count and only serves to show off their google skills.

              So people can keep claiming sugar made them skinnier, more beautiful, more regular, more like superman or wonder woman or spiderman or the incredible hulk, all while healing their cavities and growing their hair back and I will keep on seeing them for the misinformed gullible people they are.

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              • #37
                Soon to hear its the cure for bleeding gums aka gingivitis and soon to follow periodontal disease.

                Also, I've been reticent to ask this because I know the non-Peat lurkers are cackeling at any troubleshooting buuuut. How are people's teeth?! In all honesty, my gums are bleeding a lot when I brush them. I read up on it and started to employ the tactic of brushing my gums gently, and when I do that they dont bleed at all. I also read Matt Stone saying his (and many other people's) bled when they first started implementing sugar, and then stopped. What are people's experiences here?

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                Last edited by Cookie`; 09-17-2013, 11:49 AM. Reason: Added Quote

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                • #38
                  lol @ the people who are constantly requesting standards that they themselves don't live up to.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cookie` View Post
                    I'm very capable.
                    Interesting.

                    Can you not post links to such studies or do they not exist?
                    Studies that sugar isn't inherently harmful?

                    Here's a review on sugar and bodyweight regulation: http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/62/1/264S.long
                    Weight loss and metabolic parameters improved in moderate fructose group: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5g3...VHbG9RNHc/edit
                    High sucrose diet still led to metabolic improvements and weight loss: Metabolic and behavioral effects of a high-sucrose diet during weight loss.
                    Good review of fructose by researcher James Krieger: Should You Be Afraid of Fructose? » Weightology
                    Analysis of Lustig's fructose hypothesis: Challenging the Fructose Hypothesis: New Perspectives on Fructose Consumption and Metabolism
                    Article on the benefits of fructose: Co2 Factor: Fructose to the rescue
                    Catalytic doses of fructose benefit glucose tolerance in diabetics: 'Catalytic' doses of fructose may benefit glycaemi... [Br J Nutr. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI
                    And I'll post this again in case you missed it the first and second time: Whole Health Source: Is Sugar Fattening?

                    I'm sure you'll turn a blind eye to these as well, so I don't really know what to tell you.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by j3nn View Post
                      lol @ the people who are constantly requesting standards that they themselves don't live up to.
                      If and when I make a claim I will post citations or studies for it.

                      Sharing Lustig's video isn't making a claim.

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                      • #41
                        Why are you dragging YogaBare's post into this thread? You're a troll.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by j3nn View Post
                          Why are you dragging YogaBare's post into this thread? You're a troll.
                          Because I think that post is relevant to the sugar topic.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by 0Angel0 View Post
                            What gets me is that none of the regular sugar lovers on this forum can post any supporting evidence showing that copious amounts of sugar are health promoting.
                            I haven't seen anyone claim that copious amounts of sugar is health promoting. Of course this is dependant on what your definition of "copious" is, I suppose.

                            So people can keep claiming sugar made them skinnier, more beautiful, more regular, more like superman or wonder woman or spiderman or the incredible hulk, all while healing their cavities and growing their hair back and I will keep on seeing them for the misinformed gullible people they are.
                            Once again, I don't think anyone in this thread is making these claims. Of course if you exchange "sugar" with "primal"...

                            I think that Jake's point is that sugar is just a thing. It has no inherent evil properties and it's most certainly not a drug and claiming it as such is hyperbolic.

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                            • #44
                              I eat an occasional teaspoon of natural sweetener in a baked good once in a while. And I know that isn't harmful to me with my health status but would five teaspoons in a cup of coffee be a small amount?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by 0Angel0 View Post
                                Lustig isn't wrong. His point is sound
                                What about it is sound? That huge amounts of pure fructose is harmful? I guess, but I don't see how this "point" is relevant.

                                What gets me is that none of the regular sugar lovers on this forum can post any supporting evidence showing that copious amounts of sugar are health promoting.
                                What's copious?

                                Copy pasting single metabolic processes, as if any of them occur in isolation in your body, doesn't count and only serves to show off their google skills.
                                I fail to see where anyone in this thread has done that.

                                So people can keep claiming sugar made them skinnier, more beautiful, more regular, more like superman or wonder woman or spiderman or the incredible hulk, all while healing their cavities and growing their hair back and I will keep on seeing them for the misinformed gullible people they are.
                                Who said any of these things in this thread?

                                Originally posted by j3nn View Post
                                lol @ the people who are constantly requesting standards that they themselves don't live up to.
                                Oh look, someone with some sense!

                                Originally posted by Cookie` View Post
                                Sharing Lustig's video isn't making a claim.
                                Then what is it?

                                Originally posted by Willsellout View Post
                                I haven't seen anyone claim that copious amounts of sugar is health promoting. Of course this is dependant on what your definition of "copious" is, I suppose.



                                Once again, I don't think anyone in this thread is making these claims. Of course if you exchange "sugar" with "primal"...

                                I think that Jake's point is that sugar is just a thing. It has no inherent evil properties and it's most certainly not a drug and claiming it as such is hyperbolic.
                                Thank you.
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