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  • #16
    Thanks, looking now.

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    • #17
      That article immediately loses any credibility simply because the very first thing shown on the page are the soda cans. What exactly is in them?
      That's just deliberately misleading nonsense.

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      • #18
        What's wrong with Lustig?
        Yes, the real Dirk.

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        • #19
          Sugar lights up the same receptors in your brain as cocaine and etc.

          But I don't thinks it necessarily says anything about how bad/good sugar or cocaine is just b/c they both light up the reward/euphoria receptors. So what? Coffee, "love", sex, chocolate, and exercise all light up certain reward/happiness receptors in the brain. Drugs are "bad" because they have other long term effects AND they are addicting. No reason to extrapolate a very narrow phenomenon and jump to conclusions.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Leida View Post
            I love this article that examines the trend to liken Food Villain X to a DRUG!!!!

            Why Do We Ever Stop Eating? Taste, Reward, and Hyperpalatability (Why Are We Hungry? Part VII) - GNOLLS.ORG
            Thats an excellent series.

            Important conclusion for those too lazy to read the whole thing:

            "Conclusion: in order to keep incentive salience (“wanting”) under control, make sure that hedonic impact (“liking”) is always accompanied by nutrition. Eat delicious but nutritionally dense foods, containing complete protein, healthy fats, and ample nutrients. Otherwise you’re eating food with no brakes."

            The only thing I completely agree with in OP's article is that pop machines and even sports drinks should be taken out of our schools... along with the candy vending machines. There is no reason to have that crap available to students while they are there for education purposes.

            I think Attia's article on sugar and toxic load is pretty good to clear up the other issue surrounding sugar.... I.e. is it toxic:

            Is sugar toxic? The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by dirk41 View Post
              What's wrong with Lustig?
              He is Lustig! "Lustig" is translated to "funny" in German...
              "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

              - Schopenhauer

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dirk41 View Post
                What's wrong with Lustig?
                He's overly sensational with his claims and the research he cites uses absurdly high amounts of pure fructose, which is completely irrelevant to human consumption.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by dirk41 View Post
                  What's wrong with Lustig?
                  Nothing.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cookie` View Post
                    Nothing.
                    Wrong answer.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                      Wrong answer.
                      We are all entitled to our opinion. And I certainly take his advise over the Peat nonsense being spewed on a Primal forum.

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                      • #26
                        I love how everyone bashing Lustig's references wouldn't know a credible study if it bit them in the ass. They're just parroting the internet pseudo-science that strokes their confirmation bias. There is no evidence that copious amounts of sugar is health promoting and plenty that it's harmful.

                        With sugar the dose makes the poison. Particularly with fructose which has to be processed by the liver. Choose your dose. For me I choose to get my sugar from a serving or two of fruit most days a week. More fruit that that would take up the space for veggies which tend to be more nutritionally dense. In the occasional dessert or baked good I'd rather use xylitol, erythritol, and stevia. I don't care how non-paleo they are. They are fine, found in nature, and don't give my blood sugar the highs and lows of paleo approved stuff like honey and maple syrup. I do use small amounts of local raw honey when the taste is worth it like in dressings, marinades, etc.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cookie` View Post
                          We are all entitled to our opinion.
                          Yes, but my statement that Lustig is not a credible source is a fact at this point.

                          And I certainly take his advise over the Peat nonsense being spewed on a Primal forum.
                          Outstanding. Whatever works for you, stick with it. However, "spewing" Lustig's nonsense, which is a fear-based and alarmist approach, is not helping anyone.


                          Originally posted by 0Angel0 View Post
                          With sugar the dose makes the poison.
                          Correct. And this is something that Lustig consistently ignores, especially when he cites studies using 25% of total daily energy requirements from pure fructose.
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                          • #28
                            Oh dear...
                            Did some of you actually read the article?

                            He's referencing Sucrose!
                            White Sugar! Bleached Cane Sugar etc etc etc.

                            No offence, but if you've just made any reference to Fruit, your a fool.

                            Did the Fizzy Cans of Pop not say anything?

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                            • #29
                              Since you are an expert Jakejoh10 in why sugar is healthy would you post some meta analysis studies that I can read.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cookie` View Post
                                Since you are an expert Jakejoh10 in why sugar is healthy would you post some meta analysis studies that I can read.
                                Wow, two strawmen in one post. First of all, I never claimed I was an expert, and nowhere did I say sugar is "healthy" (whatever that means to you). What do you mean by sugar? Fructose? Sucrose? Lactose? Glucose? High Fructose Corn Syrup? I suggest you read the article I posted earlier by Stephan Guyenet, as it does a great job explaining my position on sugar at this point.

                                I'll also go ahead and point out that the topic of this thread is an article claiming that sugar is evil. The burden of proof is on those who claim sugar is 'evil' or 'toxic' or 'deadly'. I'm not saying anyone should be guzzling table sugar, although there are quite a few people on this forum who eat tons of sugar (table sugar, fruit sugar) daily and are very lean (myself included).
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