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    I'm wondering about this. Would you guys recommend drinking milk? I live in Canada so non-pasteurized milk is a complete no go. However, Canadian milk is hormone and antibiotic free by definition. The only difference organic makes is the feed is organic.

    The reason I'm asking is that I've been on a plateau for about 3 weeks. My trainer mentioned it might be the milk I've been drinking lately, but I know I drank milk on one week that I lost weight. My thought is that my crappy sleep lately is more likely the culprit. Milk doesn't bother me, but gluten doesn't bother me either so that's probably not a good guide. Your thoughts?
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    It's still liquid calories no matter which way you cut it, and as such its a bit easier to go over your goal loads.

    I find it easier to lean up by cutting dairy and I have no problem (GI or acute signs/symptoms) with dairy or grains either.

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    • #3
      It's good for some folks and not for others. I exclude milk because the local options are mediocre and I get calcium/vitD elsewhere. If I could get raw grass-fed milk I'd probably make use of it, but I already eat grass-fed ghee, grass-fed cream, and raw cheeses so I don't sweat it.

      By plateau do you mean fat loss? Liquid calories, whey, and casein are definitely common culprits worthy of a trial separation.
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      • #4
        Though Neckhammer and I agree on a lot of things, we differ in this, and I think healthy milk is awesome. That said, unless you have access to raw milk from the farm, what you buy at the grocery store, hormones/antibiotics or not, is probably a shell of its former self.

        If you left me on a deserted island, I'd probably want a cow/goat and a citrus tree. But sadly, the bullshit that gets done to our dairy is a travesty that makes it unhealthy and unwholesome.
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        • #5
          Personally I would skip the milk, it is higher in milk sugars. Cream, butter and cheese are lower carb options for those of us with weight to lose.

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          • #6
            Thanks for the replies! I think I'll try cutting it out, it's not like I need it. And now that my sister isn't living with us anymore, it might be easier not to have it. Well, except for my dad's skim milk but I never touch that anyway.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Wildrose View Post
              My trainer mentioned it might be the milk I've been drinking lately, but I know I drank milk on one week that I lost weight.
              Milk is liquid calories, easy to consume and easy to abuse yourself into a surplus with. The stuff is a-ok on it's own, but you still have to mind the numbers.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Euphoric View Post
                Milk is liquid calories, easy to consume and easy to abuse yourself into a surplus with. The stuff is a-ok on it's own, but you still have to mind the numbers.
                That's really not a problem with me. I use a calorie tracker religiously, so I just plug it in. And I find that milk is really quite filling. A cup of milk, an apple and an egg in a smoothy will last me until lunch. But I could easily switch that to almond milk with some coconut milk.
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                • #9
                  Even better than almond milk is macadamia milk. I think it's much better tasting and it's creamy.

                  Just soak a cup of raw macadamias overnight then drain and rinse. Put soaked macs in Vitamix or high speed blender with 3 cups cold water; blending until completely smooth.

                  Store in a Mason type jar in the coldest part of your fridge and use within 3-4 days or freeze in ice cube trays etc.

                  And the same with cashew milk which makes a good dairy replacement for those intolerant but want the creaminess of HWC or whole milk.
                  Last edited by Cookie`; 09-17-2013, 08:36 AM.

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                  • #10
                    What about milk as a meal such as homemade broccoli cheese soup? Is that acceptable?

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                    • #11
                      acceptable for what?
                      As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                      Ernest Hemingway

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                      • #12
                        I didn't realize I had problems with wheat or milk, until I eliminate them from my diet. If you haven't already done it I would try removing both for 30 days and re-introducing to see what happens. There are lots of good alternatives to milk like coconut milk -- I've been doing coconut milk kefir which is great for smoothies after workouts.

                        The other thing is you don't have to completely eliminate dairy -- lots of us do grass fed butter, whey protein isolate, aged cheeses and even full creme with milk with coffee in in crunch.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cookie` View Post
                          Even better than almond milk is macadamia milk. I think it's much better tasting and it's creamy.

                          Just soak a cup of raw macadamias overnight then drain and rinse. Put soaked macs in Vitamix or high speed blender with 3 cups cold water; blending until completely smooth.

                          Store in a Mason type jar in the coldest part of your fridge and use within 3-4 days or freeze in ice cube trays etc.
                          Im so doing this! Macadamias are creamy to eat, the milk will be devine!
                          And I was just sitting here thinking about what to put in my morning smoothie!
                          Thanks!

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                          • #14
                            I recently experimented adding a large amount of milk to my diet.

                            I became leaner and constipated.
                            My opinions and some justification

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                            • #15
                              to be considered a "meal" when you are trying to eat primal. Does milk & cheese have enough protein to be a meal in itself? Some posts said the extra calories of milk as a drink wouldn't be a good idea, so my question was "what about as a meal?"

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