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    Hello,

    I'm new to the community and apologize in advance if this inquiry is elementary. I'm 46 years old, 6', 185lbs and have always been in above average shape. However, despite a lifetime of good, not perfect nutrition my LDL levels remain borderline high. I've been juicing daily, 90 percent primal and eating organic since January 1. Had lipid panel in August and my numbers are as follows: Total cholesterol 217, triglycerides 67, HDL 49, VLDL 13 and LDL 155. Of course I was prescribed statins. I did a little research and discovered the Iranian equation for those with low triglycerides and wondered if this formula was bonafide. I should add that I'm 99 percent dairy, bread and grain free. My diet would certainly qualify as low carb. Not boasting, but physique is a slightly larger version of Sissons. Schedule for another lipid test in 8 weeks. I'm not sure if the order will stand, since I refuse to take the pharmacological route. Any input would be appreciated.

    Regards,

    Malibu

  • #2
    Originally posted by Malibu View Post
    I refuse to take the pharmacological route
    Smart man! If you had said your trigs were 250, HDL as 17, and LDL was 499 - then you might as well take statins because you are just slowy killing yourself anyway...but with a clean diet, high HDL and low trigs with just borderline LDL that really means nothing. you are smart to just keep on keepin' on. Get tested every 6 months or so, keep your trigs low/and HDL high -- if you see a reversal in either then examine your diet.

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    • #3
      I wouldn't do statins if I were you . Your numbers are a bit high for CW standards, but even without the Iranian equation your ratios look fine.

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      • #4
        CW standards? Thanks for your time.

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        • #5
          Conventional wisdom.

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          • #6
            I wouldn't worry if I were you and I WOULD NOT TAKE STATINS. Check out the ratios at Better Know Your Triglyceride/HDL Ratio if You Want to Prevent a Heart Attack

            HDL/total cholesterol ratio: yours is 0.225

            0.24 or higher is considered ideal

            under 0.24 - low

            less than 0.10 - very dangerous

            Triglyceride/HDL ratio: Yours is 1.367

            2 or less is considered ideal

            4 - high

            6 - much too high

            You may want to work on getting your HDL up a bit, but other than that, I think it looks okay.
            My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82833.html

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            • #7
              Any suggestions for raising HDL?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Malibu View Post
                Any suggestions for raising HDL?
                Lift weights and eat animals.

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                • #9
                  @ Malibu

                  Here is my take on statins....I am a physician, specializing in eyes and not internal medicine, but here goes.

                  First of all, your numbers are not bad overall. I would prefer you not have a whole lipo like you do, as this is pretty old fashioned anymore and of little value to me. A better test would be to get a VAP cholesterol test, Hba1c, fasting BG, and 100g glucose test if you can make it happen. This allows me to evaluate how your body metabolizes glucose, and this combined with heart testing (of which I am no expert) will tell me how healthy your CV system truly is.

                  In regards to statins, I have one major problem, or question I have never had answered in the affirmative. Keep in mind that I have asked this as medical licensing CE courses, to very credentialed docs of every kind, and never seen evidence to support it.

                  Please produce a study, double-blind and peer-reviewed, that shows patients without known cardiovascular disease (most everyone) whereupon cholesterol shows morbidity once metabolic syndrome has been removed from the morbidities side. I have never seen such a study.

                  What I do know from cardio-thoracic surgeons I know is that in doing heart surgery, the primary outlier of their patients is the amount of inflammation of their coronary vessels. Basement membranes are thick, insides are "rubbed raw", and toxicity of the pericyte barrier is totally compromised. (I.E. The vessels are chronically weakened, with inflammation causing plaque formation)

                  In simple terms, I believe that it goes like this:

                  PUFA, prolonged high insulin state (metabolic syndrome) => inflammation of vessels as part of coronary, atherosclerotic cascade => plaque formation, vessel impairment + cholesterol = heart attack

                  The cholesterol SHOULD be flowing through the body unimpeded like nature intended. It is inflammation, not cholesterol itself, that is dangerous. Blaming the cholesterol for a heart attack is like blaming the water for the Titanic going down. Yes, it went down in the presence of water, but it HIT A DAMN ICEBURG FIRST. I believe that the inflammation caused by the SAD is that iceburg.

                  Statins do nothing to address the inflammation, targeting only the more measurable scapegoat, and there are many studies showing them to be BAD for you on their own. For that reason, I do not prescribe them ever, and DC my diabetic patients that are taking them.

                  Hope this helps.
                  Last edited by TheyCallMeLazarus; 09-11-2013, 01:09 PM.
                  "The soul that does not attempt flight; does not notice its chains."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Malibu View Post
                    I've been juicing daily...
                    Lol, every time someone says this in a thread I always think roids.

                    Originally posted by Malibu View Post
                    Any suggestions for raising HDL?
                    Vit D maybe, it wont help by the next test in 8 weeks but in the long run it can do a lot for HDL if your levels are currently low.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
                      In simple terms, I believe that it goes like this:The cholesterol SHOULD be flowing through the body unimpeded like nature intended. It is inflammation, not cholesterol itself, that is dangerous. Blaming the cholesterol for a heart attack is like blaming the water for the Titanic going down. Yes, it went down in the presence of water, but it HIT A DAMN ICEBURG FIRST. I believe that the inflammation caused by the SAD is that iceburg.
                      I'm totally stealing that analogy. Nice job.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by TheyCallMeLazarus View Post
                        DC my diabetic patients that are taking them.
                        DC?

                        How I wish I could get my parents off statins! Their cholesterols are only borderline high and they are 75yo, but they are terrified of heart attacks.
                        50yo, 5'3"
                        SW-195
                        CW-125, part calorie counting, part transition to primal
                        GW- Goals are no longer weight-related

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                        • #13
                          All cause mortality is lowest with a total cholesterol of 220. So lowering it doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

                          Also data showing the statin help people who have not had a previous heart attack is very unconvincing. I don't think I could be convinced to take statins for prevention under very many circumstances.

                          My dad has had a heart attack and a couple of strokes. He is on statins and I don't really have a major objection in that case.
                          Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                          http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LauraSB View Post

                            How I wish I could get my parents off statins! Their cholesterols are only borderline high and they are 75yo, but they are terrified of heart attacks.
                            I feel your pain, Laura. My mom is the same way. I've tried to change her mind, but she thinks her doctor knows best.
                            My journal: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread82833.html

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                            • #15
                              I would like to see your HDL higher than your trigs, you might want to give up the juicing and just eat.
                              Only take statins if you have shares in big pharma
                              Eating primal is not a diet, it is a way of life.
                              PS
                              Don't forget to play!

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