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    Hey gang,

    I'm lean, fit, and healthy, but my diet involves way too much sugar. I would even consider myself an addict. Not cool.

    And yet, every time I try to get off the stuff, I find myself going through a litany of excuses: “just one more nice binge”, “I can start tomorrow”, “almond MnMs aren’t that bad”, “life is short, enjoy yourself”, “you’re in better shape than nearly any other middle-aged guy you know”. You get the idea.

    I can’t believe that I’m the first person to ever deal with this stuff. So, primal community, what did you do to finally get the excuse generator to shut up?

    I would sincerely appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance.

    -cds

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    I shoved steak and eggs into it. Jammed it up good.
    I got 99 problems but a pancake ain't one...

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    • #3
      Originally posted by accidentalpancake View Post
      I shoved steak and eggs into it. Jammed it up good.
      Me too, and bacon

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      • #4
        If I were lean, fit and healthy, I would not care what I eat either. However 'nearly' would bother me & get me going. But, tbh, if you have achieved the rare state of contentment, don't f'ing mess with it. Western world almost lost it.
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        • #5
          I'm there with you... I can't seem to get off the sugar... but I promise myself every day to try and as long as people don't bring in sugar it will be okay... I'm not going to do the primal/paleo cold turkey but slowly integrate the recipes and the principles into my life. I believe it's about balance...
          I don't do well on sugar, wheat and starch so I'll be trying to ditch those as much as I can but I am not going to complain about those two crackers I eat once every two weeks...
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          • #6
            For me, it's always been a mindset. I get a glimpse of myself naked and think, "Really?" A few days of back and forth with the bad habits, then I settle in and get it done. One problem I have is that other than a mirror, no foods make me sick, so I get where you're coming from if you're thin and active and feel good. IOW, if I went out and got myself a muffaletta and in the morning, I was clutching my gut from pain, it would only take a couple of episodes to get me to finally quit bread. But since virtually nothing makes me sick, the occasional bread treat does sneak in.

            One day, you'll be eating a bag of M&Ms, and it will occur to you that you could have eaten a steak with some butter on top. Or a bunch of bacon dipped in gooey egg yolk. You'll smile wisely and be a sugar addict no more.
            "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

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            • #7
              On some level you're viewing future primal meals as inferior-tasting, so develop enough kitchen confidence to outcompete the sugar. Keep trying new recipes with real seasonings and you'll see how unnecessary it is.
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              • #8
                For me, the biggest help has just been finding Paleo foods that I LOVE. I used to be a bit of a sugar addict but I think that because I don't feel deprived (like I would when I would just go on a "diet" previously), I don't feel the same desire to eat all that crap. Going home and eating a steak with butter is just so freakin' delicious that crappy sugary treats don't compare.

                Also, if I do feel the need to eat something sweet, a couple of squares of good, dark chocolate really helps to cure it.

                Keep going - I've been doing this for a few months now and I've found that my palate has changed a bit and those sugary cravings have practically disappeared.

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                • #9
                  You could always try pre-loading with fat.

                  I'm not sure my experience is all that relevant, as I didn't start out 'lean fit and healthy' and it took being fat and sick to motivate. My first goal was to get my body burning its own fat, and to that end I began eating high-fat with the objective of staying near ketosis, if not exactly in it. In the very beginning I found that simply not buying stuff I didn't want to be eating was my best practical defense.

                  Of course, not buying stuff happens in the store, so it helps to be immune from junk cravings while you're there! I loaded up on high-fat/low-carb foods until I wasn't hungry, then went out and bought my list of supplies dispassionately, the way you'd handle a trip to the hardware store. Not shopping hungry kept me from going off-plan with impulse buys until the cravings ultimately faded.

                  Now that I'm leaner, I feel that periodically cycling in more carbs (from primal sources) helps me maintain energy levels and break plateaus. I feel we were probably evolved to mix things up a bit vis a vis fasting and overfeeding, carbs and low carb. But I'm still alarmed at how markedly these starchy, sugary 'refeed' foods increase my appetite and perpetuate a desire for more of the same. The natural seasonal scarcity that probably helped 'Grok' wean off such things is no longer an option. Instead I find myself going back to my original protocol (hflc, big-ass salads and steaks) whenever I feel things could be getting out of control. In fact, just knowing this route is always available to break the cycle has a calming influence!
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                  • #10
                    I say this all the time, not to be a broken record, but because it gets asked a lot and it helped me. My cravings finally went away when I started eating a lot of liver and upped my meat intake to about a pound a day. Yes, first I quit soda, transitioned to snacking on nuts instead of fake yogurt and frozen pizzas, etc., but the big eureka was meat. More than I ever thought was okay to eat. But it is. It is very okay to eat a lot of meat, and that's been shown again and again. Unless you have chronic kidney disease, bad type 2 diabetes, etc., a variety of animal products high in protein is the most satiating slice of the menu you'll find. And don't be afraid to eat 2000 calories in one meal, especially if you are active and only eat once or twice a day - which is easy to do on a high-fat and or high-protein sort of approach.
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                    • #11
                      I tried to cut the sugar out completely, even kept track. (sugar free for 1 day, sugar free for 3 days sugar free for 0 days.... and so on) I made sure to cook my own quality foods... eventually the tracking was lost, and occasionally sugar makes its way in to my diet in the form of a chocolate, or pop or something. The one thing I have noticed was that cheap candies or sweets no longer taste as good. Occasionally I would have a craving for a chocolate snack that I use to love, Almond m&ms come to mind and they just don't taste as good as I remember them.... the almond is off, and the chocolate is not as flavorful.

                      I think this may have something to do with having experienced good quality dark chocolate and raw almonds, as well as just knocking out addictive pre made foods... I still crave sugars and such and sometimes I cave in, but I every quickly discover that they just don't taste as good so it kills the next craving I may have of them.

                      Though I will say this does not work if you are mindlessly eating, or eating on the go.... I bought some cheap chocolates on my walk home from work and while walking they tasted good, but later that night when I had some they tasted awful. I had a simiar situatuion with popcorn... I had some popcorn while my husband and I where watching a movie at home... popcorn seemed fine, but when the movie was over and I took another handful of the popcorn, it was pretty bad, it almost tasted rancid (yes, it was microwave popcorn >.<). Both times I was focused on something else and not aware of the foods I was eating.

                      In short.... keep eating healthy, you will learn to respect and appreciate the difference from "crap" and quality. Also be aware of what you are eating when you are eating it. Next time you crave the M&Ms go for it. But sit down, and focus on what you are eating... you may enjoy them, or you may just find they are not as good as you thought.

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                      • #12
                        So coincidental. I was perusing the site to find the best place to post my post and then I see yours. This is me. I don't know if I make excuses, I just keep eating the sugar. I even completed 56 of 60 days completely sugar free earlier this summer and within 3 weeks was back to dark chocolate covered this and that along with spoonfuls of nut butters topped with honey or handfuls of chocolate chips. It is NEVER a piece of cake or a cookie or an ice cream cone from a shoppe because I would never allow it. I am sugar free, after all

                        I am NOT as thin nor as fit as I was 5 years ago so reining in the poor eating is more of an obvious need (I'm 48). I am still in far better shape than my peers but I don't FEEL good. I'm not overweight.

                        But, I also consider myself an addict. Not sure if that is entirely appropriate but it is what it is.

                        So, it seems you and I know what to do but are unable to string together enough consecutive days of being low/no sugar to really conquer the habit. It is habit as well as physiology for this girl.

                        I don't know how to turn off the excuse generator. I think I need to get rid of everything in the house that I cannot resist but I have 3 children and a husband who share my home. Usually I eat the sugary stuff when I am starting to feel good, oddly enough. When that waist band in the jeans gets a bit loose and the belly feels a bit less bloated. I swear I disconnect and go off into some other place only to pop back in after I've eaten 1/2 c almond butter and 1/4c honey on a spoon. Then I am feeling almost ill and I don't eat dinner. I wake up hungry and it is a vicious cycle.

                        Sick of it! Sorry to off load on your post. I will just sit back and listen to the replies.

                        Originally posted by cds View Post
                        Hey gang,

                        I'm lean, fit, and healthy, but my diet involves way too much sugar. I would even consider myself an addict. Not cool.

                        And yet, every time I try to get off the stuff, I find myself going through a litany of excuses: “just one more nice binge”, “I can start tomorrow”, “almond MnMs aren’t that bad”, “life is short, enjoy yourself”, “you’re in better shape than nearly any other middle-aged guy you know”. You get the idea.

                        I can’t believe that I’m the first person to ever deal with this stuff. So, primal community, what did you do to finally get the excuse generator to shut up?

                        I would sincerely appreciate any advice. Thanks in advance.

                        -cds
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                        • #13
                          For me I was overweight, depressed and had no discernible body clock - when I realised that giving up the sugar cured most of these symptoms, it was like a revelation.

                          I'm not immune to temptation now, despite my success on the diet, I still splurge occasionally but I enjoy the PB diet, and especially getting a lot of quality protein and fats, so I find it easy to get back on track. I also eat a lot of fruit, so technically I still eat sugar, although just not in an addictive way - fruit tends to be far easier to regulate.
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                          • #14
                            OP here. Thanks for the feedback.

                            Having a wife who loves to bake does not help my cause. She further thinks I'm being ridiculous when I worry about such things because, after all, I am in better shape than most of my contemporaries. At least on the outside. Perhaps I just need to get her onboard better.

                            My other fear is that I will miss the sugar so much as to be unbearable -- much like an alcoholic misses his drink. I think this is what keeps me from fully committing to the process. (Someday I know I will have to eat better, just not yet...) I think what I need is about 3 weeks in the deep wilderness with nothing to eat but meat, greens, and berries. That should fix me.

                            Anyway, thanks again for the input everyone. I am very much still listening if anyone has other thoughts to contribute.

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                            • #15
                              Once you quit the fake sugar, real food will taste like candy. You will crave berries and steak and honey and peaches instead of whatever candy you used to love. I didn't think I could live without Mountain Dew and Snickers, yet here I am eating steak and eggs and enjoying them more than I ever enjoyed candy.
                              Crohn's, doing SCD

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