Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Getting Enough Nutrition and Calories

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Getting Enough Nutrition and Calories

    This has probably been talked about before but I needed some specific help. I'll try to keep this short and sweet.

    Went strict paleo last year for a month. I do believe that I have gluten sensitivity. By day 3 my bloated stomach had started to go down. However, I could not maintain the lifestyle for a few reasons. Money, accessibility, and lack or organization.

    I'm now back to eating poorly because I couldn't keep up with paleo (and I was always hungry). But because of that I realize that I am not well (aches, pins and needles, same IBS problems, low energy etc)

    Unfortunately, one of the things that happened when I was on paleo was...my hair started to thin, which has never happened to me before. That is making me really fearful of going paleo again. I can only guess it was because I wasn't eating enough or lack of nutrients or I suffer from leaky gut and paleo alone hasn't helped. To be fair, I was grain and sugar free, but maybe wasn't consuming other things. I really don't want to have to go to a doctor for help because I'm not too optimistic about what they can offer me diet wise. It took my hair 6 months to start growing back thicker (and that was on a very poor diet) and I'm not sure how to avoid it thinning again if I were to take up the lifestyle once more.

    I cannot be sure but I believe I have leaky gut. There aren't a lot of foods that I have an immediate reaction to and often feel the effects days later.

    What could be the problem? How can I go about healing (what I believe is) leaky gut without professional help?
    F|26yr|5'3"
    1st Start: 8.25.12
    SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
    HW: 195

  • #2
    What is "paleo" to you? What were you eating? Take us through what a paleo day looks like. I am just wondering if you were going all-out and getting the pricey cuts of meat & organic everything because you can do well enough without all of that.

    Thinning hair could be from any number of things. If you suffer from leaky gut, you might want to look into the Specific Carbohydrate Diet which works as a paleo elimination diet, basically. It's helpful for identifying the problematic foods. Check out SCDLifestyle.com. The intro diet is basically chicken soup, pretty affordable and easy . I'm working may way through it now and have noticed a lot of improvement with digestion (I have IBS-C/D).
    Depression Lies

    Comment


    • #3
      If good food makes your hair thin I'd just live bald.

      Liver and egg yolks. Make sure your eating plenty of em next time round.

      Like nameless said on the leaky gut SCD and GAPS are both good protocols.

      Comment


      • #4
        Yes I'm sure the reintroduction of grains and processed edible junk will fill you up more and make your hair thicker :P

        Paleo isn't this prescribed thing, or it doesn't have to be. You only limit yourself with your choices. Eating real whole food should provide more than adequate nutrition, and if it isn't, it you're hungry, you have to look at what you're doing wrong.

        Comment


        • #5
          Your goal weight is negative 150? Attainable goals would also be a good start

          OP, how long have you been on paleo for your longest stint? My understanding is that when you lose hair its actually associated with what was your diet was 3+ months prior to the onset of loss. So if you have not done it for more than say 6 months I would say you never got beyond the acclimation stage and really let all that crap you ate for so many years work its way out of your system. Stress and illness are other factors, so low calorie eating could really be a big issue.
          Last edited by Neckhammer; 09-09-2013, 05:27 PM.

          Comment


          • #6
            namelesswonder: Eggs were what I ate most mornings. I'd add some spinach. I'd try to include vegetables with every meal (it was something I wasn't getting enough of before that). I tried to get as organic as I could but it wasn't possible (and I live in a pathetic little town where you can't get a lot of organic/clean things.) I got grassfed beef when it was affordable, which was almost never ($7 or so for a pound of ground.) I'd have to travel quite a ways to get a lot of Paleo ingredients. Since I didn't have much I had to choose between lunch and dinner and usually that meant not eating lunch (which in turn would make me ravenous by dinner.) I tried not to eat a lot of fruit but I did for the first few days. I thought if I ate enough at breakfast I could go longer without eating.

            I realize thinning hair can be caused by other things (and I admit I was going through a lot of stress at the time, which was mostly health related.) I'll check out GAPS/SCD diet. I'm kind of afraid of elimination diets because I really don't want to mess up my system by reintroducing something that was hurting me. (Pain and I don't get along.) I also have IBS-C (sometimes D but rarely). I realized that Paleo alone was just not helping with my IBS so I thought there might be some bacterial issues that would need more work.

            Neckhammer: Hmm. I never said that paleo MADE my hair thin. As for my goal weight, negative 150 meant LESS THAN 150. I suppose I should have used > instead of -. In which case, my bad. My weight in HS was 151 so I felt less than that would have been a good place to go. My height of 5'3 classifies me as being petite but since I have a thicker frame, I can't say definitively what weight would be good for me. 145 is obtainable…135…maybe. 125…probably not. Therefore, I didn't have a concrete number in mind.

            Allenete: Wow okay. I never said that either. What I was trying to say was, even though I was eating crappy food, PERHAPS I was getting more calories than I was when I was doing Paleo. And obviously I know I was doing something wrong otherwise I wouldn't have made this post.

            ---

            I'm not really sure why I'm getting a lot of smart remarks about this. I hope this isn't the norm.

            In any case, the purpose of this post was trying to find a way to heal myself without having to waste time, money and energy finding a professional (knowing I won't be getting any real help with diet from a doctor and how may doctors recommend a nutritionist/dietician). Thanks namelesswonder for the tip about GAPS and SCD. I will do some research into this. I hope that it heals you. IBS sucks.
            F|26yr|5'3"
            1st Start: 8.25.12
            SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
            HW: 195

            Comment


            • #7
              Byakko, it sounds to me like you have a fair bit of stress, are worried about your health, and have dabbled in paleo a bit with mixed results that only add to your worries. It would seem to be a good idea to tackle your issues on more than one front by both cleaning up your diet as well as going to the doctor for a proper diagnosis so you actually know what you're up against. It may be something else altogether, but it's better to know. And of course, learning to manage the stress in your life.

              As for eating primally, I really truly believe it's got to be better for you than eating poorly. However, there's no point either in going hungry because you can't find the perfect meal. Feed yourself as well as possible and just try to make sure you shun the worst offenders - processed items, seed oils, wheat and excess sugars - at least 90% of the time. It takes time to learn to manage a new kind of lifestyle so there will be hiccups along the way but stick at it and it will get easier and you will reap the benefits. Good luck.
              Annie Ups the Ante
              http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread117711.html

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Annieh View Post
                Byakko, it sounds to me like you have a fair bit of stress, are worried about your health, and have dabbled in paleo a bit with mixed results that only add to your worries. It would seem to be a good idea to tackle your issues on more than one front by both cleaning up your diet as well as going to the doctor for a proper diagnosis so you actually know what you're up against. It may be something else altogether, but it's better to know. And of course, learning to manage the stress in your life.

                As for eating primally, I really truly believe it's got to be better for you than eating poorly. However, there's no point either in going hungry because you can't find the perfect meal. Feed yourself as well as possible and just try to make sure you shun the worst offenders - processed items, seed oils, wheat and excess sugars - at least 90% of the time. It takes time to learn to manage a new kind of lifestyle so there will be hiccups along the way but stick at it and it will get easier and you will reap the benefits. Good luck.
                I've taken a few tests in the last year and everything has come up negative (I've even been to a GI specialist). While that is good, it unfortunately never helped lead me to what is really wrong. I'm reluctant to seek professional help because a) it's expensive b) I haven't had much faith in doctors. I've decided to contact my GP one last time and ask specifically if he can recommend a dietitian to help me get on track with my nutrients. I went to him before over this matter and nothing was done.

                And you're right. I am stressed, easily so. When I have IBS flares it causes me a great amount of pain, it usually happens at night which causes me to lose sleep and the only medication I have for it makes me sleep. I suppose I'm stressed because I'm desperate for some guidance. Not sure if posting here was the right move but again, I was desperate.

                I never meant to eat poorly to try to fix anything otherwise I wouldn't have tried Paleo. I got so overwhelmed and disorganized with primal eating (not to mention stressed about that) that I eventually let it go because I was causing myself harm by being stressed. The problem, I feel, was that I wasn't getting enough of something (though I suspect I have leaky gut, which means even clean paleo wouldn't fix my IBS problems). I was grain free, sugar free and dairy free, yet I wasn't improving.

                I appreciate your well thought out response. Even though it feels really hopeless right now, I'll try not to give up.
                F|26yr|5'3"
                1st Start: 8.25.12
                SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
                HW: 195

                Comment


                • #9
                  You sound like a victim, not a conqueror. This will get you nowhere. If you want to attack stress you have to attack it. Your words sound weak, like whimpering cries for help. You are the only person who can help you. Slay your demons instead of parading them around. It also sounds like you spend a lot of time sitting around thinking about yourself. Get out, have fun, do stuff. Then eat a LOT of good food. Relax.
                  Crohn's, doing SCD

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    I really don't see what is so stressful or complicated about buying meat, fish, eggs and vegetables. I can't get super high quality meats right now, but I do the best I can, and get the best eggs I can. I do what is feasible so long as its healthy. Eat real food. The thing I really want to do next is more organ meat. I already love liver, but getting my hands on other stuff is tough.

                    Stop thinking like these are difficult guidelines. You have a plethora of food to choose from. Stock up on meat, fish, eggs and vegetables. Eat them. That's all there is to it. You are making something brutally easy horrifyingly complex and I'm not even sure how you can do that.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      I understand the stress of IBS and not wanting to eat something that might make things worse. The most simple version of the SCD that I do (if I can't be compliant with my various eliminations & trials of foods) is starch-free. Squash is okay, but no potatoes of any kind, definitely no rice. Minimal fruit at this point (bananas & apples seem okay, especially homemade applesauce). I'm eating very few veggies, mostly just carrots and onions right now. I just added back in celery. Eliminating starch alone got rid of the gas & bloating, so I definitely suspect some bacterial issues in my case. It's a slow process.

                      For constipation, I take magnesium citrate every night. If 400 mg per night isn't enough, I'd take 200 mg with a meal and add a dose as needed until you can get regular. I do have diarrhea from time to time, but only when the constipation is under control and then I eat something that doesn't agree with my gut. If I'm constipated, something may irritate my gut further, but I never see the result of it. So, I'm like you in that it's primarily C w/ some D.

                      As for organic stuff, you really don't have to worry about grass-fed and organic at this point. Just get the right foods, worry about quality later.
                      Depression Lies

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Sorry to have upset you. It was a joke. But, I did try to offer some constructive advice in the following paragraph. There is all kinds of ways to make your transition to paleo/primal easier. Cordain's original work called for allowing 3 non paleo meals a week, then reducing that to just two after a month, then just to one or none. Primal invokes the 80/20 rule with the idea that its what your nutrition and diet are most of the time that determines how healthy you are. All of it comes down to "don't let perfection be the enemy of the good". Relax. Its just food.

                        Nameless again has outlined some good stuff on SCD and supplements. All I have to add is... bone broth.... lots of it. The constituents are very conducive to helping leaky gut.

                        And here is a test that you may consider if you wanna know if "leaky gut" really is an issue for you:

                        https://www.directlabs.com/TestDetail.aspx?testid=83

                        You can order and do it yourself from your house using directlabs.
                        Last edited by Neckhammer; 09-10-2013, 07:41 AM.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          jesus, people. OP asks for help, and immediately gets mocked? wtf?

                          thinning hair, for women, is a pretty big deal & a good sign of malnutrition/thyroid/hormonal issues. maybe that's not the case for men, but for women it's a pretty significant sign of things worth noting.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            hair thins for thousand of reasons... use of medication, end of pregnancy, stress, certain food deficiencies, allergies, etc...
                            The fact that you fell off the bandwagon, does indicate that you weren't feeling completely good with the diet you were following. I know it's expensive but all around the internet you can find good cheap options. The fact that you weren't feeling super like most of the people here could indicate you were indeed missing something or were allergic to something.

                            You could have a slight eggs allergy, most test won't show low level allergies. (or an other of the new introduced foods)

                            Also do not forget that any change, life-style, diet, or in exercise will cause stress to your body, especially diet as it requires the body to rethink it's standards. it must have been a relieve for your body to get it's fast carbs back...

                            However, in common sense, with every diet it's all about balance. Primal/Paleo is a well based diet that makes sense. However for it to work you've got to make sure that you get enough of everything. Your body will still need a certain amount of carbs. Just the good ones, the ones that works for your body. Also if you don't eat enough fruits and veggies you'll lack certain minerals and vitamins that your body needs. You need to eat more veggies than fruit or meat...

                            also you might want to read the book Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes. You'll learn more about what is useful for your body and what not.. more knowledge makes your choices easier...
                            My story, My thought....

                            It's all about trying to stay healthy!!!!

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Sheild_Maiden: The guidelines are not difficult. The lifestyle and sustaining it, is. However, I'm glad that that isn't the case for you. Also, thank for telling me that I need to eat. I don't want to forget to do that.

                              nameless wonder: Thanks again for detailing what you're doing (but I did give your blog a visit too.) While GAPS seems like a good way to go, the intro part is pretty…er…hardcore. But I think it makes sense. So I'll be looking into SCD soon and compare them and see what I could try. I think sweet potatoes do have a positive effect on my digestion but it's not ideal yet (very interesting to note how store bought sweet potato fries have no effect, probably because they're swimming in corn starch etc)

                              It isn't easy to talk about so I appreciate your advice. Constipation is more prevalent for me than diarrhea (again, I only get that if I eat too much, get really upset or eat something that bothers me.) Actually because I can feel ill during the day I won't eat and I end up binging when I'm having a "good stomach day". It's an annoying cycle. I suppose I was a little let down that eating paleo wasn't really working for that but I didn't quit for that reason. I didn't want to quit because I knew that I was seeing some beneficial things (like bloat going away.) But I simply wasn't feeling energized and wasn't sure where I needed to make adjustments.

                              dev: Basically. Don't mean to sound vain but my hair has always been a very prominent part of who I am (my family and strangers have always praised it.) But either way, when it started to mysteriously thin I was freaked as it's never happened to me. My main concern is my health and I knew something was very wrong.

                              MarielleGO: Yeah. I thought it was really weird that I wasn't feeling very bouncy and high energy after keeping it up (low carb flu was pretty bad but I stuck it out somehow.)

                              ATM I do eat a lot of eggs for breakfast and as it's a cheap source of protein it's not something I want to have an issue with eating. I need all the safe foods I can get. I actually did go to an allergy doctor last year to see if I had food allergies. That was a waste of time (all he could tell me was that I had hayfever, which I knew already. Still paying the bill for that.)

                              That's what I was thinking. It took me six months to have my hair grow back thicker (and right now it's still only the roots. I'm very gentle with my hair, it's curly and hard to manage. I don't do a lot of intense styling.) But obviously my body still doesn't like this fake food.

                              Everything you've said is spot on. I think Paleo is a great framework. Just eat real food and also be aware of your body. I suppose I did not know that It wasn't as simple as just following Paleo. It may very well work for a lot of people, but others need fine tuning. Thanks for your response.
                              F|26yr|5'3"
                              1st Start: 8.25.12
                              SW: 151 CW: 147 GW: -150
                              HW: 195

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X