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  • #16
    Originally posted by DeltaCypher0 View Post
    Im taking exercise physiology at my university, and I just got out of class and I'm confused..
    My professor made these three points..
    1) The brain can ONLY function on glucose.
    2) High fat and low carb diet makes you gain fat.
    3) Low carbohydrate diets make you use protein for fuel, thus, deteriorating muscle. Again, she says the body stores the fat because its in "starvation mode".
    Guys lets not confuse the issue too much. Take things precisely as they are and address each one.

    1) Is false. Using the word ONLY makes it so no matter what side of the debate you fall.
    2) Is false. Could I get a CICO proponent in here to explain this one! There are a million ways this is wrong.
    3) Is not supported by the evidence. Actually the evidence shows that resistance exercise and sufficient protein are the driving factors in retaining lean mass. There is some speculation via human trials that VLC is lean mass sparing, and there is some biochemical speculation (mainly by members of this board) that it is not. So a professor taking a strong stance and teaching just the one hypothetical situation is IMO not doing their job. Then she finishes up with "starvation mode", so you end up gaining fat in a deficit?
    Last edited by Neckhammer; 09-06-2013, 11:55 AM.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
      When I spent my last stint in college, the exercise physiology students had a "senior projects" display in the gym. The one I recall was where volunteers kept a food diary for a period of time and had their body fat measured. People who consumed less fat had higher body fat.
      LOL. Strongest evidence I've ever seen. Let's disregard the fact that overweight people tend to severely under report fat intake.
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      • #18
        Ask her about the kids on ketogenic diets

        Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DeltaCypher0 View Post
          Im taking exercise physiology at my university, and I just got out of class and I'm confused..
          My professor made these three points..
          1) The brain can ONLY function on glucose.
          2) High fat and low carb diet makes you gain fat.
          3) Low carbohydrate diets make you use protein for fuel, thus, deteriorating muscle. Again, she says the body stores the fat because its in "starvation mode".

          Clearly this is 100% against the paleo theme.

          Can I get some sound scientific feedback on this please? Ive been paleo for 6+ months, and when I was living at home this summer, I gained about 6 lbs, reaching 150lb. At this time I had more access to food, and I was eating more vegetables and fruit, consuming near 200g carbs/day. Now Im at school and Im eating 100g carbs/day, 150+g protein, and about 130g fat/day. My weight has gone down to 144lb. Am i losing muscle mass or fat? My body composition looks the same, so Im not sure where the weight loss is from. Help me out here because Im frustrated..

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          Not an idiot but definitely indoctrinated. If I were you and needed the course do what you need to for the mark but know its just for the mark. Then when you've graduated do some work on trying to change the status quo.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by DeltaCypher0 View Post
            Im taking exercise physiology at my university, and I just got out of class and I'm confused..
            My professor made these three points..
            1) The brain can ONLY function on glucose.
            2) High fat and low carb diet makes you gain fat.
            3) Low carbohydrate diets make you use protein for fuel, thus, deteriorating muscle. Again, she says the body stores the fat because its in "starvation mode".

            Clearly this is 100% against the paleo theme.

            Can I get some sound scientific feedback on this please?
            Another possibility is that YOU misunderstood some details that the professor said and misrepresent her views? Just a possibility that happens with students all the time, they get tired in their heads and confused when listening to all that new information...
            "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

            - Schopenhauer

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            • #21
              and then there's the Inuits

              The Inuit Paradox | DiscoverMagazine.com
              Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                LOL. Strongest evidence I've ever seen. Let's disregard the fact that overweight people tend to severely under report fat intake.
                If you can eat that twinky in under 10 seconds.. it's like it never existed.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                  LOL. Strongest evidence I've ever seen. Let's disregard the fact that overweight people tend to severely under report fat intake.
                  Of course, you can easily make the claim that all the studies that have ever been done that do not support your preconceptions are fraudulent or badly-designed, and all the ones that support them are perfect in design. Is that really what you want to try to claim? Can you really support that?

                  I'm just repeating what I saw because it was a locally-generated study that agrees with other studies. Eating less fat as a percentage of calories does not make people thin, and eating more fat as a percentage of calories does not make people fat.

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                  • #24
                    1. Ketones.
                    2. Success stories.
                    3. Eat enough protein? Ketosis is no problem, then.
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                    Perfection is entirely individual. Any philosophy or pursuit that encourages individuality has merit in that it frees people. Any that encourages shackles only has merit in that it shows you how wrong and desperate the human mind can get in its pursuit of truth.

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                    I'd apologize, but...

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                    • #25
                      I'm now convinced that you (eKatherine) cannot read. You must have glasses on that portray some sort of fucked up version of what everyone posts, because there is no way a normal human being would get your response out of what I wrote.

                      Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                      Of course, you can easily make the claim that all the studies that have ever been done that do not support your preconceptions are fraudulent or badly-designed, and all the ones that support them are perfect in design. Is that really what you want to try to claim? Can you really support that?
                      Where did I say this? Just please show me. Please. Otherwise, once again you post yet another strawman.

                      I'm just repeating what I saw because it was a locally-generated study that agrees with other studies.
                      What other studies are you referring to?

                      Eating less fat as a percentage of calories does not make people thin, and eating more fat as a percentage of calories does not make people fat.
                      Where did I say this? Just please show me. Please. Otherwise, once again you post yet another strawman.
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                      • #26
                        Take a deep breath, huh?

                        You are always completely rude to ekatherine - or for that matter anyone who isn't in agreement with you. If you don't agree with someone, that is fine. But being insulting and nasty only makes you look arrogant and immature. I find it amazing that people here have so little compassion for each other. Sad.
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                        • #27
                          Thank you! Everyone was extremely helpful in proving my last 6 months of work as correct.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by janie View Post
                            Take a deep breath, huh?

                            You are always completely rude to ekatherine - or for that matter anyone who isn't in agreement with you. If you don't agree with someone, that is fine. But being insulting and nasty only makes you look arrogant and immature. I find it amazing that people here have so little compassion for each other. Sad.
                            I don't apologize for being rude to someone who consistently warps my words into something I never said, or even implied, to make me look like the bad guy. I don't really care what you think of me. Not saying that in an arrogant way, but it's the truth.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by DeltaCypher0 View Post
                              Thank you! Everyone was extremely helpful in proving my last 6 months of work as correct.

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                              Glad you were able to find the help you were looking for!
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                                Of course, you can easily make the claim that all the studies that have ever been done that do not support your preconceptions are fraudulent or badly-designed, and all the ones that support them are perfect in design. Is that really what you want to try to claim? Can you really support that?

                                I'm just repeating what I saw because it was a locally-generated study that agrees with other studies. Eating less fat as a percentage of calories does not make people thin, and eating more fat as a percentage of calories does not make people fat.
                                So what you saying is that people who increase their calories as fat can't put on weight? I'd like to see your evidence for that.

                                Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                                I would like to see the references you can cite where it says that the body does not use fat for fuel, and preferentially uses protein for fuel. That's what you're claiming. Stop being such an untermench.
                                I'd love to see your sources that say the body can't use protein for fuel. That's what you're claiming.
                                Jesus, you sure are spouting some bullshit today.
                                Last edited by Forgotmylastusername; 09-07-2013, 03:32 AM.

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