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  • #16
    This is a thread I will be following. Great posts by Jake, Derp and Zach. I can attest to doing a Paleo style diet for a long period of time (Over 5 1/2 years) while incorporating various forms of exercise and organized sports. I have never been overweight and haven't needed to lose weight my whole life as far as I can remember. While consistently maintaining a strict diet on 125-175g of carbs per day I found it harder to keep up with my exercise regimen. Without a weekly reefed I would feel drained with a piss poor attitude. Over the last month or so I have increased my carb intake mainly from sugary fruits and I am already seeing the benefits. My workouts are improving again, I feel stronger and less achy, but the main benefit I am seeing is a better overall mood and calmness. The main reason I started a paleo diet was to reduce my allergy symptoms and relieve myself of IBS and GERD. Paleo helped with that tremendously probably because I reduced the gluten and PUFA. Increasing the carbs made no difference and I still feel great. If anything I feel better as I am even more aware of the role PUFA plays with my body. I think some people unfairly put carbs from crappy sources in the same category as carbs from fruits/potatoes/rice. Like Zach mentioned, most cultures outside of the US have thrived for a very long time with carbs as their main source of calories.
    "If man made it, don't eat it" - Jack Lallane

    People say I am on a "crazy" diet. What is so crazy about eating veggies, fruits, seafood and organ meats? Just because I don't eat whole wheat and processed food doesn't make my diet "crazy". Maybe everyone else with a SAD are the "crazy" ones for putting that junk in their system.

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    • #17
      Favorite Ten Foods (in no particular order) :

      1. Prunes
      2. Sweet potatoes
      3. Coffee
      4. White sugar
      5. Oatmeal
      6. Oranges
      7. Milk
      8. Cottage Cheese
      9. Steak
      10. Greek yogurt
      My nutrition/fitness/critical thinking blog:

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      • #18
        I'm not on a PC right no so quoting and saying everything I want is difficult!

        So random question:

        I've heard that women in general do not do so well on high carb as men do (I'm assuming active people, here) and that while men predominantly turn to carb burning during workouts, women turn to fat burning. According to Kiefer.

        My logic is asking: how does that work, since women's bodies fight to RETAIN fat?

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        • #19
          I dunno... Choco eats a lot of fruit, but he seems to prefer starches as his source of carbs to sugars (like Derp and Jake and Zach). Also, he eats WAY less than any of them do (on a sliding scale comparison at least) so I'm not sure if he would exactly qualify as being "on the same team." Nor am I convinced he'd WANT to be on their team anyway, as "independent-minded" as he seems to me.

          He can comment on that one though, not me!
          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Dickson View Post
            What do you guys think of liver tablets, are they at all replaceable for eating liver?

            Also, a lot of the peat forums discusses taking prescription thyroid medications, and ways to convince your doctor you need some. Is that at all necessary?
            I would say no, they dont compare. If its the taste thats the problem, you really dont need to eat much to see benefits. A few ounces a week is plenty. I cant stand oysters but i still down 3 tins a week.

            Depends on if you have hypothyroid issues. I think in the past people got some extra thyroid from the foods they ate and of course they wernt bombarded with thyroid inhibiting pollutants. Taking a bit of t3 or desiccated thyroid could really help and its probably pretty natural.


            Originally posted by Allenete View Post
            I'm not on a PC right no so quoting and saying everything I want is difficult!

            So random question:

            I've heard that women in general do not do so well on high carb as men do (I'm assuming active people, here) and that while men predominantly turn to carb burning during workouts, women turn to fat burning. According to Kiefer.

            My logic is asking: how does that work, since women's bodies fight to RETAIN fat?
            I have never really heard that. I dont believe women are that different then men in that respect. Sure our hormones are different so you have to take some things into consideration but overall, women seem to do great on a high carb diet. The ones that dont most likely have metabolism and hormone issues from years of eating disorders and semi starvation.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Allenete View Post
              I'm not on a PC right no so quoting and saying everything I want is difficult!

              So random question:

              I've heard that women in general do not do so well on high carb as men do (I'm assuming active people, here) and that while men predominantly turn to carb burning during workouts, women turn to fat burning. According to Kiefer.

              My logic is asking: how does that work, since women's bodies fight to RETAIN fat?
              Obviously women tend to have a higher body fat percentage, but I know plenty of women who do awesome on a high carb diet, so I agree with what Zach said above.

              I'll also say that Kiefer proves time and time again that he loves to cherry pick and straight up misrepresent research, like he did here: Why Women Should Not Run

              I wouldn't take what he says too seriously on most topics.
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              • #22
                My 2c
                Originally posted by Allenete View Post
                1. What is your view of the cases where the only way people can control their food intake is through LC or VLC? And then end up nose deep in a bowl of icecream because a banana looked at them earlier in the day? Can this be a permanent state?
                I don't think there is any doubt that VLC and LC are sustainable provided one is not engaged in glycogen depleting exercise. I've been LC (most days between 50-100g carbs, no refeeds) for about four years, but my exercise is pretty much limited to lots of moving slowly (occasional paddling in surf being the exception). I strongly suspect that getting adequate nutrients and energy (don't think carb/fat ratio matters here) will help overcome the physiological aspect of bingeing. There is still the psychological aspect
                2. What about those who claim that lack of carbs aren't affecting their workouts? Why not trust their judgement and let them carry on lifting weights on under 50g carbs a day?
                There is no reason to advise against this course. Warnings of failure are just speculation and no collection of links to studies will demonstrate otherwise. Large numbers of people continue to thrive for long periods on a VLC diet provided nutrition is adequate
                3. As two young males, lean and fit, what is it that backs up your suggestions to "eat more carbs" to different demographics?
                Just glad that I'm no longer young. The older I get, the less I know for sure. BTW, I think youth in general has this problem. My 19yo daughter knows everything
                Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Allenete View Post
                  I've heard that women in general do not do so well on high carb as men do (I'm assuming active people, here) and that while men predominantly turn to carb burning during workouts, women turn to fat burning. According to Kiefer.

                  My logic is asking: how does that work, since women's bodies fight to RETAIN fat?
                  I actually read the opposite, but can't remember where. In regards to who burns what better. Women were more "sugar burners" than fat burners, which is why the men generally do better with low carb or ketosis. Don't know if it was an actual scientific-ey thing or just commentary though.

                  I just know what works for me, and it's not LC

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Nivanthe View Post
                    I actually read the opposite, but can't remember where. In regards to who burns what better. Women were more "sugar burners" than fat burners, which is why the men generally do better with low carb or ketosis. Don't know if it was an actual scientific-ey thing or just commentary though.

                    I just know what works for me, and it's not LC
                    This could also explain why so many men find fasting to come pretty easily after getting used to the idea but many (not all however) women can take two, three, four times as long to adjust to a fasting routine or maybe not even adjust to one at all!

                    I mean even an avid fasting advocate like Mark has one or to posts that address the differences in the effects of fasting on men vs. women.
                    "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Allenete View Post
                      I'm not on a PC right no so quoting and saying everything I want is difficult!

                      So random question:

                      I've heard that women in general do not do so well on high carb as men do (I'm assuming active people, here) and that while men predominantly turn to carb burning during workouts, women turn to fat burning. According to Kiefer.

                      My logic is asking: how does that work, since women's bodies fight to RETAIN fat?
                      I find this to be the opposite case.

                      Caveman fasting diet may leave women diabetic | Health | Life & Style | Daily Express

                      http://peatarian.com/21017/caveman-f...women-diabetic

                      Kiefer has no sources and just takes to guesswork, Randle cycle is seen in everyone after exercising. Women typically have a higher sweet tooth than men and can probably learn from intuitive eating rather than dietary restriction.
                      Last edited by Derpamix; 09-06-2013, 04:41 AM.
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                      • #26
                        Idea: Men do better without because we in primal times skipped meals to give more to women for mating impression. Thus, the ones that did better on that had more babies.

                        OR: Men do better without because, as persistence hunters, there isn't much time to eat on the go most of the time.

                        OR: Men don't do better, it's anecdotal and not a fact.

                        M.

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