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  • Please help me create the most logical, scientific

    argument for the paleo diet possible for a non-scientist, non-doctor to create.

    I want to convince some other non-scientist, non-doctor types to at least reconsider some of the CW myths they've been educated with. I know that a lot of people on here hold the view that trying to convince others is mostly a waste of time, and usually I agree with them, but for various reasons, I want to do my best to present an unbeatable argument to a particular bunch of folks. I'm going to be working on my paper for a few weeks, and I hope that the knowledgeable readers at MDA can help me out with resources.

    My plan for the paper is to first present an evolutionary-based argument, complete with sources for what we know about what Grok actually ate. I will then show, as far as is possible, more modern evidence of what current hunter gatherers eat, as well as the Eskimo experiment Steven (Stevenson?) did.

    Then, I'd like to write the argument in a series of long Question and Answers, like this:

    "But didn't paleolithic people only life to be 30!?"

    "Actually..."

    And so on, answering as best as I can the common objections people raise, and even some not so common ones.

    I know that there are a lot of places out there that have already tried to consolidate this information into good FAQs. I need to write this paper myself, though, without just sending a bunch of links to someone and saying "read this, come to me if you have questions."

    In the meantime, though, I'd like to specifically work on addressing this point of view:

    "Besides it is my view that one can eat whatever the hell they want as long as they are just as willing to work hard to stay in shape. Diet is only half the battle. smiley =)"

    Can anyone point me in the direction of any papers/studies that would refute this view? Please bear in mind that I am a 20 year old liberal arts major, and so if you send me a paper written by and for other doctors that deals exclusively with biology and uses lots of sciency words, I am probably not going to be able to do much with it.

    Thanks!

  • #2
    My take on it....

    Always have a baseball bat with you..

    They seem to understand very quickly with that.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by FrankOcean View Post
      My take on it....

      Always have a baseball bat with you..

      They seem to understand very quickly with that.

      I was thinking sledgehammer but a bat would send the same message, yesterday somebody approached me and asked me about my diet and what i was doing to lose weight and when i was explaining what i don't eat before i could get any further they proceeded to tell me i was crazy and thats not healthy and that was the end of that. So far i've lost weight i feel tons better and it was insanity that did it not what i eat yup pretty much sums up most peoples responses. I think i'm just gonna start telling people when they ask about my diet "i starve myself workout four hours a day and take diet pills cause that is so much more believable."

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      • #4
        Guys, these folks are friends of mine. They are not being offensive about what I eat. They are not being rude to me, they are being very respectful of my choices. Nevertheless, they have some legitimate concerns, as they should. Surely you would experience some doubt if you had been taught your entire life that fat was bad and whole grains good, and then a friend told you they ate butter by the spoonful and lost 10 pounds.

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        • #5
          If they're sympathetic and genuinely want to learn more, why not just point them at this web site? Sooner or later they're going to ask a question you don't know the answer to.

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          • #6
            Why not just bring them a copy of the Primal Blueprint to read? Just present it to them unsolicited. That book was written for the same purpose!
            ad astra per aspera

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            • #7
              Here's a post written by Tom Naughton (Fathead) that explains things in terms a liberal arts major can wrap their brains around

              http://www.fathead-movie.com/index.p...-it-all-wrong/

              It's a pretty good site (and movie) in general for putting the science in something easier to visualize.

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              • #8
                What you're talking about sounds a lot like prosthelytizing.

                How would you like it if one of your friends found a new religion and was trying to come up with arguments to convince you how wonderful it was?

                It's best to let others ask questions, imo, then to prosthelytize about primal.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mikebike View Post
                  What you're talking about sounds a lot like prosthelytizing.

                  How would you like it if one of your friends found a new religion and was trying to come up with arguments to convince you how wonderful it was?

                  It's best to let others ask questions, imo, then to prosthelytize about primal.

                  I agree with this 100%
                  What you are trying to do sounds like what Mark is doing here. Maybe just show them the book?

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                  • #10
                    Well there are the general axioms of the paleolithic diet and the general reasoning behind why its originators formed the hypothesis they did, it makes the most sense that we evolved to eat certain foods and our genes have not adapted to the foods that our modern technological memes have produced. After that we can't simply take the paleo principles as matters of faith but we have to actually test them and use evidence and reason to confirm or deny our suspicions. Some of time it turns out that paleo isn't 100% fool-proof and that some (few) neolithic principles are good for us. I'm done trying to reconcile paleo, I'm more into truth, it just turns out that -most of the time- what is paleo is what is best. Paleo isn't set in stone either, there is variation between paleo diets, so we're best off taking paleo as a starting point and investigating just what happens to be the best way of doing things for each person.
                    Stabbing conventional wisdom in its face.

                    Anyone who wants to talk nutrition should PM me!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rabbidchicken69 View Post
                      I was thinking sledgehammer
                      ~Oh yeah!!! SHOVELGLOVE!!!!~
                      Yesterday is History
                      Tomorrow's a Mystery ~ Today is a Gift...
                      That is why they call it THE PRESENT

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                      • #12
                        sorry Repicheep, that outburst was uncalled for.. but, I do think you have to take a look at your motivation in doing this. It will undoubtedly be a collossal drain of your time and energy, when in reality the proof is in the pudding.. (or full fat yogurt if you prefer, as we do)

                        In other words let your example lead them to this and it will probably be far more successful an outcome than smashing your head against that CW wall they hide behind. I know, we all do, that you have friends and loved ones you want to help- to save from themselves.. but we can't win every battle. I fight very hard for my convictions with regard to primal eating, but there comes a point where the person will say- 'I don't want to hear anymore', then you just hope you've said or done enough. If they can see it on you, that glow of health, they might ask you about it and that's the best way to share with them. Face it- who's gonna want to read a paper about something or a book either for that matter, if they don't have any interest. You and your example must spark that interest- be the spark, light the way!
                        Yesterday is History
                        Tomorrow's a Mystery ~ Today is a Gift...
                        That is why they call it THE PRESENT

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                        • #13
                          theres a great youtube vid of this that helps address some of the questions raised
                          check it out here:
                          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCFZoqmKf5M
                          "The first wealth is health."
                          - Ralph Waldo Emerson

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                          • #14
                            Give me a list of questions, and I'll do my best to give you a list of answers. I'll start with your first:

                            "Didn't paleolithic people only live to be thirty?"

                            "Of course! But that's only because they didn't have the modern conveniences that we do. Like hospitals and such. While I realize that our agriculture based diet is what helped to allow for the birth of those conveniences, it's interesting to note that life expectancy DROPPED with the advent of agriculture! And it didn't really recover until after the Industrial Revolution!"

                            Next.

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                            • #15
                              And I could go a hell of a lot deeper than that if you'd like me to.

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