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  • Ideal Protein Diet to Primal. Help how do I transition????

    I am looking for suggestions on what will be the best transition to make from a "ketosis" causing weight loss program on to Primal?

    There are 4 phases in the Ideal Protein regime and I initially thought I would phase off the diet to the maintenance phase, but the more I read the more I am unsure. Do I fast for a day or two, do I juice??? Help!!
    The biggest change from IP to Primal is that the "fat" is not considered. So I am concerned that ridding my diet of splenda, for naturally sweetened products will produce an increase in my weight.

    I am 49, 5.3 and currently at 118lbs and have NO health issues.My Primal goal is to be healthier and increase my energy level. I am a full time nurse and have struggled with my weight ALL my life. Now that I have had it under control for the past two years give or take 10lbs, I want to stay here and focus on health and fitness.

    Looking forward to any and all comments.

  • #2
    i am your same age and 1.5 inches shorter.

    i don't know what ideal protein is. for your transition, there is no need to fast (unless you want to) and juicing is not a good idea for anything.

    do you want to stay low-carb? what are you eating now? when you say "naturally sweetened" are you eating any fruit now? a few servings of fruit should not spell doom for you. it's a nice treat with yogurt or real cream.

    fat is indeed considered on primal, it's not a free-for-all. you need to use some common sense with regards to what you consume.
    As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

    Ernest Hemingway

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    • #3
      Noodletoy,

      I currently am eating lean protein and only veggie carbs, along with a protein supplement. No dairy, no fruit, no bread. This is the weight loss phase of this diet and then you transition in fruits, and dairy.

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      • #4
        are you calories restricting then as well? sounds like high-protein, low-fat and low-carb? man, how are you not ravenous all the time?

        i'd go at it atkins-like then, i guess, and add back one food at a time. go at this methodically so you see what you tolerate.
        As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

        Ernest Hemingway

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        • #5
          Noodletoy,

          Sorry, I should have said this, yes it is calorie restrictive. 800-900/day with no exercise while in the very restrictive phase.
          Actually, I am not hungry all the time. There are times when I can talk myself into being hungry but its psychological not physical hunger. I eat 2 cups of leafy greens with lunch and dinners 6-8 oz lean meat, and drink about a gallon of water a day. In addition to the protein supplement at breakfast and as a snack before 8pm. Its one of the best programs I have come across for weight loss! I have tried almost every diet over the course of years and it is the best one with the best results. I will say you must be committed but the weight will come off.
          Now that I have lost the weight I just want to stay healthy and keep the weight off and exercise.

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          • #6
            eesh. that is super low-cal and for a long time. your appetite and metabolism will have down-regulated to compensate, so you need to add foods back very slowly. you also are likely undernourished, so tout-suite start adding eggs, shellfish, bone broth and liver. move forward to get your protein close to 80-100 gms per day.

            i guess i'd look at something like the atkins carb ladder to start adding back foods and do it patiently and methodically as you gradually up cals and activity.
            As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

            Ernest Hemingway

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            • #7
              Thanks so much for the wisdom!

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              • #8
                I currently am eating lean protein and only veggie carbs, along with a protein supplement.

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                • #9
                  There's a nutrition guy on the Starting Strength forum that would recommend after a long period of low calorie to start adding calories in very slowly. I forget the rate, but it was something like either adding 50 calories a day for a week, then the next week another 50 calories a day or maybe it was a couple hundred. I don't remember. I don't see how anyone could be so disciplined as to regulate as little as a 50 calorie difference, but maybe you are that disciplined and can do it.
                  Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                  • #10
                    I have helped several people recover from Ideal Protein diet. I have also heard they changed their name to Ideal Weight in some cities. It's basically a pyramid scheme diet plan where people open a franchise and the bottom line is selling the pre-packaged foods at high prices.

                    People lose lots of weight, it's a VLC calorie restricted plan and as long as you stick to it, you lose weight. I have seen tons of people who fall off the wagon and re-join to lose the weight they gain back over and over.

                    The best way to get out of their clutches is to learn about good food choices and eat real food--not their packaged stuff. The Primal Blueprint is the perfect escape from Ideal Protein Diet. Eat real food, exercise, get good sleep, lose the stressors in your life as much as possible.

                    I also work in a hospital, I think Ideal Protein is easy to sell here because people see quick weight loss and others get to talking in the hallways and the dining area. Nurses have a really hard time with weight, IMO, because of stress and crazy schedules. Disrupted circadian rhythms and poor eating are a recipe for disaster. If you smoke, too, like many nurses--shame on you!

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                    • #11
                      sbhikes comment of adding 50 calories / day sounds good. Buy and read "The Primal Blueprint", which is our first choice for guidance.

                      It recommends 1g of protein per kg of body weight for maintenance, or 0.7g per kg of lean mass. So if your protein intake is much higher than that, also reduce it at a similar rate.

                      Press the 'Start' button on Mark's blog page and find his shopping list for approved foods. Mainly our goal is whole, clean, unprocessed foods with no additives, no grains and no sugar. You will also find there his recommendations for exercises, starting with simple body-weight exercises you can do at home.

                      I still use splenda, which is NOT recommended but seems the best of the artificial lot. What is recommended for sweeting is stevia but so far I haven't found a brand I like. Using honey or raw cane sugar is recommended in preference to anything artificial. Note that when you remove all processed foods, especially all packaged, bagged or boxed foods you are also removing a lot of sugars.
                      "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                      • #12
                        OTZI,

                        Thanks for your reply, but I have to say shame on you for assuming that I smoke! Smoking among nurses is no more prevalent then any other occupation including self professed health conscious individuals.
                        AS for the politics of IP, I don't know of what you speak. I know the program works for weight loss. I also know that I did not gain the weight back and I am just seeking to live healthier.
                        I do know good food choices and portion control, what I did not know was the science of getting the weight off and keeping it off. I think someone on another forum offered the best advice I have been given yet and that is to get out of the mind set of a "diet" and realize it will no longer be about low fat this and low cal that, its about the right wholesome choices for my body.
                        Thanks, again

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                        • #13
                          SBhikes,

                          I do have the PB, I was just finishing up "The Makers Diet" before I moved into Mark's book. I guess I just got ahead of myself.

                          Thanks for the helpful information. I too use splenda and really do not like the bitterness of stevia, but bought some today to "try it again" If not, I do like honey in my coffee with my almond milk so it will do just fine.

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                          • #14
                            just try weaning off the sweeteners and you'll stop needing them.

                            we use 1 pack stevia to sweeten 8 oz of fresh whipped cream. that is MANY servings around here and that's the only sweetener i eat. no honey, no molasses, no maple syrup. i just don't like or want them.

                            sticking to such a low-cal regimen for 2 years shows a LOT of discipline. be kind to yourself as you make the change here and be. very. patient.
                            As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                            Ernest Hemingway

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