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  • As a surfer, where do i stand?!

    Hello everyone!


    I found this style of life after being really sick (iron deficient) from being vegan and trying to be raw for a few years. Lets just say it was a crazy transition to eat red meat, give up caffeine, etc. all in one day. I have a history of trying to be lean but it is always cut short because i love to enjoy life. I found that on primal i don't have to restrict myself and i haven't gained... anyways... back to the topic i want to ask..

    I am Female, 25 years, 5'5 and when I'm eating comfortably 145-150lbs.

    I have very lean and toned legs, arms, and back. The kicker is i have a bit of the tire around the belly. I have basically been trying to lose the last 10-15 lbs for the last 3 years, and i don't care how many pounds (it could just be 5) i have to lose, i just want the belly gone! i can pull off looking good in clothes, but I spend half my life in a bikini... in which i cower.

    I am an avid surfer. I surf every day, twice a day if i can, i used to compete, and i on an off do hot power yoga (it gets expensive). I am so lost as to where this falls on the level of activity. Because i do it so much, it really doesn't feel like an exercise. Its not crazy cardio, its not lifting weights... I'm not overly fat (even though my weight makes me seem like it), and i can tell i have strong muscles under that spare tire.

    Ive tried to lower my carb intake, i did keto for awhile (basically GAPS) and yes i was losing weight, and i had muscles, but they felt like they didn't work at all... no energy, the whole "carb flu thing." right now I'm hanging at around 60-100... and i feel different, but i sometimes can't tell if I've lost or gained. it almost feels like my body is changing shape. I don't want to feel weak in the water, and even though I've been doing this for 8 months, when my carb intake is low, my surfing is no good.

    When i read blogs about athletes, it just seem so specific to people who are doing gnarly endurance training, etc. So i really don't know where i stand as to how many carbs i should be consuming to maintain my muscle, energy, and lose the fat.

    is my lifestyle considered active?

    Should i look into carb cycling?

    how many carbs should i be consuming?

    the more i dig the more I'm lost.

    when i eat a lot of carbs i feel horrible, and when i eat very little, i feel horrible. Just trying to find a balance so i can lose the excess and keep it off, yet maintain surfing!

  • #2
    I would stand on the board if I were you. it makes the surfing part easier. but that's just me...

    honestly, I perform like crap when I am low carb. sometimes a moderate approach works for people (around 100g daily, maybe more if you are active) and sometimes cycling works for people. overall, you probably just have to lower your daily caloric intake a little bit. maybe post up a few days worth of your daily diet and then we can critique it and give you pointers

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    • #3
      HEEEEY Surfie surf! I went out with a surfer, and surfed quite a bit myself for five years. Surfing is an amazing fitness tool - you've got the resistance training aspect of swimming, plus co-ordination, plus HIIT. If you're getting two good sessions in the waves a day (and because you used to compete, I'm presuming that you really go for it) then you are definitely living an active lifestyle.

      First question everyone's going to ask is: how many cals are you consuming a day?

      Also how much fat are you eating? The whole primal paradigm is based on eating fat in favour of carbs, but if you hang around the forum for a while you'll hear people's personal experiences, and many of us (younger women particularly) do not do well on high fat low carb.

      For someone as active as you, I'd recommend shifting your diet in favour of carbs. You'll get more out of your sessions, and as long as you keep your total calories in check you'll lose fat.

      Unfortunately the belly is the last place to go, and sometimes it can take years of honing the diet to get there.

      One more thing: you said you were on GAPS. Do you have gut issues? If so, part of your belly may be bloat. Not necessarily good news, as this can be just as hard to shift as fat...

      Welcome to the forum

      Ps. Where do you surf?
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • #4
        Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
        I would stand on the board if I were you. it makes the surfing part easier. but that's just me...
        Damnit! Beat me to it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
          Damnit! Beat me to it.
          you're getting slow in your old age...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
            you're getting slow in your old age...
            I'm even slower... I only just got the joke
            "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

            In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

            - Ray Peat

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            • #7
              Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
              I'm even slower... I only just got the joke
              maybe you should stop googling pictures of women in yoga pants? on second thought, don't stop doing that. in fact, do more of it..

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              • #8
                Originally posted by not on the rug View Post
                maybe you should stop googling pictures of women in yoga pants? on second thought, don't stop doing that. in fact, do more of it..
                Ironically, this morning I was googling "hot male surfers". I"m an equal opportunity oogler




                I really need to take my job more seriously.
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                  Ironically, this morning I was googling "hot male surfers". I"m an equal opportunity oogler




                  I really need to take my job more seriously.
                  well...keep those pics to yourself.

                  I think I've become the zen master of balancing hard work and internet usage.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                    I really need to take my job more seriously.
                    You really need to understand that your job of providing us with eye candy (of the lady variety) is as important as any of your other supposed obligations.
                    The Champagne of Beards

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                      HEEEEY Surfie surf! I went out with a surfer, and surfed quite a bit myself for five years. Surfing is an amazing fitness tool - you've got the resistance training aspect of swimming, plus co-ordination, plus HIIT. If you're getting two good sessions in the waves a day (and because you used to compete, I'm presuming that you really go for it) then you are definitely living an active lifestyle.

                      First question everyone's going to ask is: how many cals are you consuming a day?

                      Also how much fat are you eating? The whole primal paradigm is based on eating fat in favour of carbs, but if you hang around the forum for a while you'll hear people's personal experiences, and many of us (younger women particularly) do not do well on high fat low carb.

                      For someone as active as you, I'd recommend shifting your diet in favour of carbs. You'll get more out of your sessions, and as long as you keep your total calories in check you'll lose fat.

                      Unfortunately the belly is the last place to go, and sometimes it can take years of honing the diet to get there.

                      One more thing: you said you were on GAPS. Do you have gut issues? If so, part of your belly may be bloat. Not necessarily good news, as this can be just as hard to shift as fat...

                      Welcome to the forum

                      Ps. Where do you surf?
                      Hello!

                      I am from San Diego ca, but I just spent a few months in Samoa and now I'm living in Australia. So I'm a bit of a jet setter. Traveling is so hard when your primal! There's never any primal options for on the go.

                      So my eating habits.... I'm not sure how drastically to drop my calorie intake. Yesterday I ate way too much and I lingered at around 1700 calories. I've done 1200 before primal and had not seen weight loss because of carb and sugar intake.

                      My typical day of eating is something like this...

                      Breakfast
                      4 oz of Australian bacon- I say australian because it is from the butcher and has no fat on it. Like Canadian bacon I guess?
                      2 eggs fried in coconut oil or the bacon fat
                      1/2 a banana since they're high in sugar but it helps me not feel weak for a surf. I do feel the effects immediately which is weird
                      Almond milk in tea- waitin on my kiefer to arrive so I can ferment dairy since it makes me break out

                      For a snack it's usually bell pepper. I've eaten them raw like an apple since I was a baby and love them! After a surf we usually grab a coffee. I drink a soy cappuccino no sugar with a chocolate dusting on top. I am not happy with drinking soy, but again the lactose in full cream milk Makes me break out.

                      Lunch varies

                      Leftovers or what not but it usually consists of roughly 5 oz of meat like tuna or chicken, a whole or half avocado all on some raw spinach. I still like to keep as many raw vegetables in my diet as possible.

                      Dinner-
                      If I am hungry... Usually sautéed some sort of meat on spinach, lots of spice!. Sometimes we do a big veggie stir fry or spaghetti Bol from scratch, in which I just eat the meat sauce....


                      The thing is when I strictly follow the meat and veg routine, my muscles are weak. I splurge on organic 85% dark chocolate but I don't ever have more than 25 grams. I'm thinking about keeping some roasted squash on hand for a carb intake...

                      Carbs for an apple are bad since apples have insulin sensitivity right? It just gets all confusing! I can severely lower my calories no problem, but I'm just afraid of the bounce back when you start eating again and your body is used to burning only 1200.

                      Anyways, thank you for your response!

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                      • #12
                        San Diego is cool - the highlight of my surfing life was living there for three months and surfing every day... Other than that I was surfing in Ireland which really goes off sometimes but is fooking COLD!

                        Honestly, I would cut some of your meat in favour of fruit. As I said in my first post, eating a lot of fat (which you seem to be doing) isn't always the best weight loss solution. Don't worry about the "insulin spike" from fruit - it's nothing compared to starch. Apples I don't favour personally as they make me hungry. I'd go for the heavy, nourishing fruits, like papaya, mango etc. Maybe try that for breakfast one day? Don't worry if you have to eat a lot.

                        Also, switch some of your meat for shellfish.

                        Are you bad with all dairy, or is it just milk?
                        "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                        In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                        - Ray Peat

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