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  • Sorry in advance...Poop questions...

    Need some advice...I have been very strict paleo for almost 3 years now (including no dairy, except yogurt mentioned below), but for the life of me can't figure out what is going on with the old digestive system. Other than this issue, I feel great (better than any other time in my life!), but this one item has left me very frustrated. Like the last piece of a puzzle I just can't solve.

    In short, overall my "movements" are quite soft (I almost NEVER have constipation, quite the opposite, very regular). Not runny, but definitely soft. Seems like the start is ok (sorta firm) most times, but the "finish" is very soft/pasty/sticky and well, er, messy. Thank goodness for toilet paper. If I were a caveman (no toilet paper, maybe some leaves or pine needles though ), I am sure I would be a miserable creature.

    I have tried just about everything I can think of to solve this...More veggies, less veggies...More fat, less fat...more carbs (sweet potatoes), less carbs...probiotics (pills, raw vinegar, sauerkraut, yogurt, etc.) nuts, a lot of nuts...some fruit, no fruit...blah, blah...NOTHING seems to make any difference. Consistency is roughly always the same, no matter what/how I eat.

    My digestive system seems OK otherwise, with no distress for the most part...Note I do 16/8 intermittent fast 7 days/week (and have done so for about two years now).

    Please help! If this is just the way it is supposed to be, and it is not really health issue, but more of an annoyance, fine, I will just live with it. But I have to think this is indicative of some kind of digestive issue.

    Thanks for help and sorry for gross topic...But I am desperate!


  • #2
    My personal experience has been the reverse. I had never been constipated prior to primal, but now sometimes my body seems to have reclaimed too much water, making it all too hard.

    How much fruit do you eat?
    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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    • #3
      What kinds of probiotics have your tried?
      Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )


      • #4
        Well there is the BRAT diet for firming up diarrhea. At least portions of it. My son reduced his significantly and has much better firmer stool when we include plenty of egg pancakes (2eggs/1banana mixed togeather and cooked) and 24 hr homemade yogurt. He has more bouts of diarrhea with too many grapes or juice along with any gluten grains. Thats our experience.
        Last edited by Neckhammer; 08-25-2013, 07:46 PM.


        • #5
          Hello All...Thanks for feedback. To answer the specific questions:

          - I eat almost zero fruit (actually, as I think about it, I can't recall the last time I had any fruit!)
          - The only pill-form probiotic I have tried is Florajen3 (must be refrigerated). Seems like all it did was make my stomach upset. I think I took it for 2 (maybe 3?) weeks. Maybe I didn't give my body enough time to adjust?
          - Haven't heard of the BRAT diet...Will take a look.

          In general, is such an issue usually due to gut flora being out of whack?



          • #6

            What comes out of your bottom can only really have one of three causes:
            1. what you put in your pie-hole
            2. how your body digests it
            3. how your bacteria digest it

            They are all of course interrelated, since if you suddenly go low carb, the bacteria which like to break down your starches into glucose suddenly find they are in the middle of a desert. They die off, and different bacteria grow into the new 'environment' of your intestines.
            Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

            Griff's cholesterol primer
            5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
            Winterbike: What I eat every day is what other people eat to treat themselves.
            TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
            bloodorchid is always right


            • #7
              Are you taking magnesium? I was having this problem and realized my multi vitamin had a form of magnesium that was causing it (the same for as in natural calm). I stopped taking it and switched forms of magnesium. And voila
              Home birthing legal mama. Unschooler. Jewish Intactivist (step away from the foreskin!). Full-term breastfeeder. Kettlebell padawan.


              • #8
                Nope, not taking any magnesium supplement.

                So does anyone have any suggestion as to how to solve this? Even though I have tried before, maybe eating more sweet potato could help (as it relates to my gut flora)?

                Should I try same (for longer period) probiotic? Try different type? Any suggestions as to good brand?



                • #9
                  Any other digestive symptoms? Gas, bloating, gurgling...

                  Can you walk us through an average day of meals for you?
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                  • #10
                    I've had gut issues for YEARS and recently have had success with eating a diet low in fructose. See this chart. Also, I drink a bottle of Kombucha daily and it is very soothing to my gut. I also take a daily probiotic. Foods that are highly fibrous (like greens) will result in diarrhea, as will chocolate and sugar.

                    Good luck -
                    1. Love ME no matter what noises are screaming at me, or who is trying to tear me down.
                    2. Eat to heal
                    3. Move to live
                    4. Embrace today
                    5. Live with intention
                    6. Respect my body
                    7. Cultivate joy
                    8. Find my passion
                    9. Meditate on peace in my soul


                    • #11
                      Here's an approach that seems to help everyone's bowel movements: Buy a bag of tapioca starch and a bag of potato starch. Bob's Red Mill sells both, it's cheap and can be found on Amazon or most organic type health food stores. Any brand will work, the potato starch must be 'unmodified'.

                      To use it, put a TBS of each in your yogurt and stir well. You may need to thin it with a bit of milk or water if it's too thick.

                      These types of starches are very high in resistant starch and are called 'prebiotics' meaning they feed your gut flora. This will firm up your dookies nicely. If the starch gives you gas, cut it in half for a couple weeks. You can up it to about 4TBS a day, but no more, after a few weeks. As the gut bacteria start eating the resistant starch, they will produce some gas--this is normal and healthy.


                      • #12
                        Yes, I do sometimes have "noises" down there, some gas, but it is not common. Certainly some foods I eat cause more distress than others, but not major and seems to have no correlation with consistency of my movements. I think everyone has some noises now and then. Or no? Maybe that is not actually normal?

                        As to a typical day...

                        Dinner is usually beef, chicken, turkey, salmon, or pork, and a vegetable (varies...leafy greens, squash, brussel sprouts, etc.)...Meat and veggies grilled or fried...If fried I use pasture butter, coconut oil, and/or olive oil.

                        No breakfast (16/8 fast), except black coffee and I do not eat again until around 12-1PM (after Crossfit). Then lunch is usually leftovers, but sometimes will include eggs, sardines, tuna, avocado, dark chocolate.

                        ...and Macadamia nuts as a snack during the 16hr feeding window.

                        That's it...quite simple actually


                        • #13
                          Hello Otzi,

                          Thanks for suggestion. As you may have read, I am VERY low carb, including no starches. Will that much tapioca/potato starch kick me out of ketosis? I guess probably not enough to have any impact. How long do I do this? Just until gut seems better, or do I do it indefinitely? Would it have same effect if I just consumed more sweet potato (or other "safe" starches, white rice for example)? Is it a must to mix in yogurt?



                          • #14
                            No amount of raw potato or tapioca starch will kick you our of ketosis. In it's raw state, it is not a 'carb'. It is simply food for gut bacteria. It is similar to eating more fiber, but fiber usually entails lots of stuff you don't necessarily want or need. Resistant starch is the preferred food of microbes that produce butyrate, a win-win on a low carb diet.

                            Give it a try, if it works for you, you have a solution--adjust dose and timing until you find a minimum effective dose. If it doesn't work try other things.


                            • #15
                              Hello Otzi...Ok, understood. I will give it a try!

                              Will eating sweet potatoes (or other safe starch) have same effect?

                              Is it a must to mix in yogurt?

                              Thanks again