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  • Is Sugar a poison?

    If you have some time (about 50 minutes) this podcast is a very good opportunity to hear both sides of the debate. Here is a list of the scientists being interviewed.

    Robert Lustig – University of California, San Francisco, author of Fat Chance: Beating the Odds Against Sugar, Processed Food, Obesity, and Disease

    James Ruff – Biologist post-doc at The University of Utah

    John Sievenpiper – Knowledge Synthesis Lead of the Toronto 3D Knowledge Synthesis and Clinical Trials Unit, St. Michael’s Hospital, University of Toronto, Canada

    Michael Moss – Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist at The New York Times, and author of Salt Sugar Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us

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    Last edited by canuck416; 08-20-2013, 10:55 AM.
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    Will listen later, but I want to say that I have a massive problem when people associate sugar with words like "poison" , "toxic" , "evil" , etc. It's just alarmism and it's absolutely ridiculous.
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    • #3
      Interesting that its gonna bring in a few different POV's. Will listen and report back on the winner

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      • #4
        Sugar a poison? I suppose that it depends on dosage as everything else, but sugar is definitely a poison to diabetics...
        "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

        - Schopenhauer

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        • #5
          National Geographic Aug 2013
          Sugar: Why We can't Resist it
          Sugar
          Would I be putting a grain-feed cow on a fad diet if I took it out of the feedlot and put it on pasture eating the grass nature intended?

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          • #6
            The more you try to viral this, the more ridiculous it sounds. Keep pushing this agenda though, maybe one day what believe, eating massive doses of refined fats is normal and healthy will come true(not)

            Also, top lol at the natgeo article
            Last edited by Derpamix; 08-20-2013, 12:41 PM.
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            • #7
              Just for fun, I looked up the LD50 for table sugar. 29,700 mg/kg. So it would take about 2,673 grams of sugar to kill me.
              Last edited by Timthetaco; 08-20-2013, 01:25 PM.

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              • #8
                So 10 minutes in: They are talking about cupcakes, processed foods, and soda pop... all to average 22 teaspoons of sugar a day (like 90 grams of pure sugar...not talking just carbs here) for Americans. Breakdown of different types of sugars. Then suggesting that we reduce (not eliminate sugar). In fact the interviewer is talking like to amounts from 30 years ago, not paleo. Kind of standard "getting to know ya" stuff so far.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                  Interesting that its gonna bring in a few different POV's. Will listen and report back on the winner
                  Don't think there is a winner just different perspectives although the clinical trials guy from Toronto has some interesting info. Also they do not bring in a Paleo or Primal perspective.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                    The more you try to viral this, the more ridiculous it sounds. Keep pushing this agenda though, maybe one day what believe, eating massive doses of refined fats is normal and healthy will come true(not)

                    Also, top lol at the natgeo article
                    I wouldn't say this is anti sugar just anti sugar overload.
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                    • #11
                      One of the huge problems I have with this (besides the issues already stated) is that they are not talking about SUGAR. They are talking about HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP. Completely different thing.

                      I dare you to go into any candy store, convenience store, or supermarket and find candy, some kind of baked good, or even a soda that doesn't have HFCS. The only things I have been able to find are Altoids or merigues at Trader Joe's, and insanely expensive high-end artisanal sodas.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BestBetter View Post
                        One of the huge problems I have with this (besides the issues already stated) is that they are not talking about SUGAR. They are talking about HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP. Completely different thing.

                        I dare you to go into any candy store, convenience store, or supermarket and find candy, some kind of baked good, or even a soda that doesn't have HFCS. The only things I have been able to find are Altoids or merigues at Trader Joe's, and insanely expensive high-end artisanal sodas.
                        They're not completely different. Standard HFCS blend is 55% fructose. Sucrose is 50% fructose. Difference is insignificant. In Australia, cane sugar is subsidised so is the predominant sweetener. Australia has a large obesity problem, similar to North America

                        It is the overall dose that has changed dramatically over the past 50 years. Even water is deadly if taken in excess so it's no surprise that other foods can be consumed to toxic levels
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                        • #13
                          I believe ANYTHING is "poison" if you overdose..... Even vegetables can be "poison" if you eat too many of them - TRUST ME<-- I would know! ha!

                          That being said, I do not consume added sugar, because I don't believe it to be healthy.

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                          • #14
                            Is sugar toxic?: Is sugar toxic? The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.

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                            • #15
                              What kind of sugar? Things work as a system.

                              You wouldn't eat seed fiber isolate for the same reason, would you?
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