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  • #46
    Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
    Lustig, on the other hand, is very overweight. Whatever he's doing clearly is not working. I put as much stock into Lustig as I put into Bigfoot. No, scratch that. There is a huge amount of evidence and eye-witness reports for the existence of a Bigfoot-like creature in the Pacific Northwest. I actually find the existence of Bigfoot much better supported than what Lustig has to say. Did you know apples have a higher ratio of fructose to glucose than Coke? Those deadly, deadly apples...
    That was funny. Now I'll think of Lusting every time I see Bigfoot, though!

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    • #47
      Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
      White sugar is 50/50 fructose/glucose. HFCS is 55/45 fructose/glucose. I don't really see much difference. I avoid HFCS because it's entirely GMO, not because of the fructose content.
      Um yeah I have read that before......I don't see the difference either - it was a poor attempt of a joke.

      Having said that, perhaps strangely I too would prefer raw cane sugar ( or even white) over HFCS - not that I add sugar to anything........

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Graycat View Post
        That was funny. Now I'll think of Lusting every time I see Bigfoot, though!
        I have for years because they look so similar.

        Originally posted by EatMoveSleep View Post
        Um yeah I have read that before......I don't see the difference either - it was a poor attempt of a joke.

        Having said that, perhaps strangely I too would prefer raw cane sugar ( or even white) over HFCS - not that I add sugar to anything........
        In my house, I have unfiltered creamed honey, blackstrap molasses, maple syrup, coconut sugar and brown sugar. I use the first 4 for myself and regular dark brown sugar when I am cooking for groups or making large batches due to the cost-prohibitive nature of the first 4. I don't use white sugar, but I consider dark brown sugar okay since it has a significant molasses content and has trace mineral content. Honestly, my view these days is that sugar = fat for the most part. They are energy sources for the body, so I really only care about the nutrient density of the food. There is the mindset around here that fat is good and sugar is bad, but a refined oil with no mineral content is no better than a refined sugar with no mineral content, and the reality is the bad fats are worse for you than the worst sugars (soybean oil vs HFCS, give me HFCS all day long!). If it is okay to use a tablespoon of oil to cook some eggs in, it is okay to put a tablespoon of sugar in your coffee. And just the same, if it's not okay to drink a 32oz Coke, then it's not okay to blend half a stick of butter in your coffee. Empty junk calories are empty junk calories, I don't care if it's a fat or sugar source. And for this reason, I consider honey, maple syrup and molasses superior to all oils and added fats. The only added fats with any measurable nutrition are a pastured butter/ghee and red palm oil, of which the latter is not very versatile.
        Last edited by ChocoTaco369; 08-16-2013, 08:02 AM.
        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Belforte View Post
          Jakejoh, I do understand that Facebook is not accurate, but I still bet Catalyst has a larger audience.
          But who cares? A large audience is definitely not an accurate measure of knowledge. Look at Dr. Oz.
          My nutrition/fitness/critical thinking blog:

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          • #50
            Originally posted by chocotaco369 View Post
            lustig, on the other hand, is very overweight. Whatever he's doing clearly is not working. I put as much stock into lustig as i put into bigfoot. No, scratch that. There is a huge amount of evidence and eye-witness reports for the existence of a bigfoot-like creature in the pacific northwest. I actually find the existence of bigfoot much better supported than what lustig has to say. Did you know apples have a higher ratio of fructose to glucose than coke? Those deadly, deadly apples...
            Lol!
            My nutrition/fitness/critical thinking blog:

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            • #51
              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              In my house, I have unfiltered creamed honey, blackstrap molasses, maple syrup, coconut sugar and brown sugar. I use the first 4 for myself and regular dark brown sugar when I am cooking for groups or making large batches due to the cost-prohibitive nature of the first 4. I don't use white sugar, but I consider dark brown sugar okay since it has a significant molasses content and has trace mineral content. Honestly, my view these days is that sugar = fat for the most part.
              Ok. I have raw sugar on hand for visitors that want sugar for tea/coffee but don't use it myself.

              I use some honey and want to get Manuka honey with high UMF for its alleged higher health benefits.

              Only other sources of sugar I get is from fruit.

              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              There is the mindset around here that fat is good and sugar is bad, but a refined oil with no mineral content is no better than a refined sugar with no mineral content, and the reality is the bad fats are worse for you than the worst sugars (soybean oil vs HFCS, give me HFCS all day long!).
              Well if they mean ANY fat compared to ANY sugar then that seems wrong - but i don't think they mean that ( well most of them that consume sugars in fruits that is).

              Eg I don't think most think buying a pound of GMO high transfat solid seed oil is better than buying five pounds of apples - at least I don't.

              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              If it is okay to use a tablespoon of oil to cook some eggs in, it is okay to put a tablespoon of sugar in your coffee.
              Um yeah but butter doesn't have the reputation of destroying teeth health and adding to tooth plaque - if this is true then different macros can have different effects in mouth health.

              Perhaps x calories of white sugar gives some people pimples/acne but same calories of grassfed butter fat doesn't.

              Etc etc

              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              And just the same, if it's not okay to drink a 32oz Coke, then it's not okay to blend half a stick of butter in your coffee.
              What if a food has a mass of other added chemicals and junk too - doesn't that tip the scales toward the more natural product?

              Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              Empty junk calories are empty junk calories, I don't care if it's a fat or sugar source. And for this reason, I consider honey, maple syrup and molasses superior to all oils and added fats. The only added fats with any measurable nutrition are a pastured butter/ghee and red palm oil, of which the latter is not very versatile.
              I use some NZ pastured butter, eat NZ some pastured dairy - sources of high fat. I even use a bit of FIJI organic coconut oil ( and some MCT). I eat grassfed meats with the naturally thin yellowish fat attached. So I don't avoid fats.

              I eat fruit, veg, some honey, potatoes and rice, so I don't avoid carbs.

              Doing this seems to work ok for me - could it be physically better? : probably, but I think also mental enjoyment of food and lifestyle is part of sustainable health too.

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              • #52
                Yeah, I believe its erroneous to label fat as nutritionally devoid. Fatty acids in and of themselves can be defined as nutrients if you don't take he CW view. Some of them act as antioxidants, some are known to positively impact our mitochondria, they are structural, some are antiviral and antibacterial..... all just fat..... apparently nutritionally devoid fat.... bullocks I say! These may not fit the CW definition of "nutrients", but they are vital and absolutely nutritious.

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                • #53
                  Speaking of crazy people, Jimmy Moore gained a bunch of fat again. Blaming it on mouth surgery and antibiotics. All that while he hosts a ketosis for athletes panel at AHS. That guy fascinates me.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                    ..... all just fat..... apparently nutritionally devoid fat.... bullocks I say! These may not fit the CW definition of "nutrients", but they are vital and absolutely nutritious.
                    Yes bright yellow grass fed butter sounds pretty good to me - though I like colorful fruit and veg too

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Zach View Post
                      Speaking of crazy people, Jimmy Moore gained a bunch of fat again. Blaming it on mouth surgery and antibiotics. All that while he hosts a ketosis for athletes panel at AHS. That guy fascinates me.
                      Jimmy Moore is a complete quack.
                      My nutrition/fitness/critical thinking blog:

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                      • #56
                        Hitler finds out he has gained fat on a low-carb diet - YouTube

                        Hilarious!
                        Few but ripe.

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                        • #57
                          That was the best thing i have seen in awhile. Thank you!

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                          • #58
                            Lol that was too funny. "Don't worry. He will be keto-adapted soon". Freakin' awesome!
                            "If man made it, don't eat it" - Jack Lallane

                            People say I am on a "crazy" diet. What is so crazy about eating veggies, fruits, seafood and organ meats? Just because I don't eat whole wheat and processed food doesn't make my diet "crazy". Maybe everyone else with a SAD are the "crazy" ones for putting that junk in their system.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Daemonized View Post
                              Point being if you're going to preach health and fitness through diet then be fit yourself.
                              Health and fitness are different dimensions. James Fixx, the father of the running / jogging craze as we know it, died of a massive heart attack while jogging, despite running on average about 80 miles a week. He was quite fit, and congenitally unhealthy. So maybe you meant to say "if you're going to preach health through diet then be healthy yourself?" I'm not convinced that the culturally accepted notion of "health" ( ye olde sixe packe ) says much about one's health. I can definitely tell you that I am much stronger when I carry more body fat, I just happen to find lower body fat more aesthetically pleasing. I don't pretend that it is healthier, though.

                              -PK
                              My blog : cogitoergoedo.com

                              Interested in Intermittent Fasting? This might help: part 1, part 2, part 3.

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