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    I see a lot of talk about Paleo and Primal in the threads, with the former being stricter than the latter. When I looked up Paleo Diet, as defined by Dr. Cordain, he emphasizes on lean meat and low SFA, which is not primal. So what exactly is the difference between the two?


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    It's my understanding that the main difference is about fat intake. How much and which kinds of fat are OK to eat. Primal does tend to be a bit more relaxed, in my opinion.

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      This should help.


      http://www.marksdailyapple.com/whats...mal-and-paleo/

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        Cordain has his opinion on paleo and most paleo eaters think that what he said about saturated fat is wrong. Apparently Cordain also said that diet soda is ok on paleo (that just makes him sound stupid). I find Neanderthin a better paleo starters book.


        Paleo man hunted the biggest animals (who had the most fat) of the time and plenty of Hunter Gatherer tribes eat a lot of fat. I certainly do not limit my saturated fat at all.


        The Paleo diet is eating what paleo man ate, which is what the PB is based upon.


        Paleo is more strict, as foods such as Nightshades where not available to paleo man are out of the paleo diet, but allowed in the PB.


        I eat very strict paleo and I do not eat The Seven Deadly Sins:

        • Grains

        • Dairy

        • Refined foods

        • Nightshades

        • Tubers

        • Legumes

        • Modernly palatable


        Or as my wife puts it - we don't eat:

        Wheat, rice, oats, barley, rye, bamboo, maize/corn, sorghum, sugar cane, millet, fonio, buckwheat, rhubarb, amaranth grain, sugar beet, beetroot, spinach, cream, butter, ghee, milk, cheese, casein, whey, yogurt, milk powders, kumis, bell peppers, chilli peppers, potato, tomato, eggplant, arrowroot, cassava/tapioca, sweet potato, yam, jicama, alfalfa, peas, beans, lentils, carob, peanuts, cashews, mango, olives, cacoa, okra, coffee, stevia, squash, pumpkin, salt, honey and artificial preservatives, flavors, colors or sweeteners


        ... We also minimize consumption of curcubits as It is very hard to find any info on how much of them paleo man may have eaten.


        What I consider paleo is much more restrictive than PB. I thought that Mark refereed to PB as 80/20 applied to Grok's diet somewhere...

        The "Seven Deadly Sins"

        • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
        • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
        • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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          I agree with your take on the differences, Tarlach, and I admire your commitment. One thing that really made an impression on me in Mark's book was when he said (and I'm paraphrasing), "Strive for 100%, but don't let it make you crazy--if you hit around 80%, that's good." That really works for me, because I love going for it, but I know from previous experience that bouts of beating myself up for some perceived slip were VERY counterproductive. So I don't PLAN for 20% "non-primal," but accepting that I might deviate, for me, seems to keep me more around 90-95%. I think I'm sort of like a teenager--tell me I can't have something, and I want it, but tell me I can, and it loses it's appeal. . .hopefully, more and more (I've only been doing primal for a month now).

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            Wow Tarlach, thanks for the info and hats off to you for being so strictly paleo. Just curious, what does you average daily diet look like? And what do you mean by "Modernly palatable"?

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              By modernly palatable I mean food that are have only been introduced into the diet by new age technology, genetic modification or foods that did not grow near paleo man.


              My eating is always different, but on an average work day:

              Before 5pm - Some beef jerky and or handful of nuts.

              Dinner - 1-2lb of meat.


              I sometimes eat completely different meals and I do eat some fruit and veg during the week. My wife also eats more meals than I do (she is also training the kids to eat set meals so they eat the expected lunch at school etc).


              I'm almost 100% with the list above, but I do have very dark chocolate (ie. 100% cacoa) rarely, or coffee. As they are both seeds, I'm not that worried about having them as cheats.

              The "Seven Deadly Sins"

              • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
              • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
              • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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                What? No chile peppers! Forget it!


                Said both seriously and semi-sarcastically, what DO you eat? Distilled water?


                And seriously asked, do you think your health is that much better than a Grokster that is more conventional PB?


                I'd like to also offer two thoughts on your theories: One, there were many geographies and hence many paleo diets. And I'm sure as they ate what they could, many of your forbidden foods were being consumed. Two, even if Paleo man didn't eat some kind of food regularly doesn't mean that it isn't just fine for us to. Squashes, for instance, a New World discovery. Processed dairy, like cheese and yogurt. Or vice versa. Coconut might be one.

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                  I'm not sure if my first post showed up. It shows when I'm logged in, but it doesn't show when I'm not logged in.


                  Sorry if this is a repeat.


                  This might help with some answers as well.


                  Mark has a post titled "What's the difference between Primal and Paleo" in the archives.

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                    Tarlach, I noticed spinach is in yor forbidden list, but it isn't part of the 7 deadly sins, so why are you avoiding it? And why no salt either? I'm really intrigued by your diet. I read in another thread that you're now down to your lowest healthily possible BF. How long have you been paleo and what specific positive changes have you noticed in your health? Just curious, I hope I'm not prying.

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                      I eat meat and some fruit, veg, and nuts.


                      If you count the paleo diet as over about 40,000 years (which we aim for), then there was not many geographies for man. None of our forbidden foods from other continents were being consumed by our ancestors.


                      It is possible that some of the food paleo man didn't have access to are ok, but I'm not going to gamble my health on it. It takes too long to find out the hard way that you are getting sick. Paleo man wasn't exposed to it, so we didn't evolve to eat it.


                      I do think we are better off than the average PB'er (not that our diet is very different). Even though the average PB'er is vastly better off than the average SAD eater.


                      For one example - My wife has found out that her asthma is directly caused by dairy and she has been pretty much medication free since cutting it. We have also met a few other paleos that have fixed their asthma by cutting all dairy. Even a tiny bit causes attacks and the effects are long lasting. It was very hard to pin down.

                      I would encourage any asthmatic to go dairy free for a month to see if it fixes their asthma.


                      It also appears that dairy may be part of the cause of MS. I'm certainly not going to experiment with that either.


                      Saying that cheese or yogurt are fine is untrue.


                      maba - From Wikipedia "Primitive forms of spinach are found in Nepal and that is probably where the plant was first domesticated. Other than the Indian subcontinent, it was unknown in the ancient world"


                      Paleo man didn't add salt to food, so why should we? There is plenty of salt in the food we eat. One reason to avoid salt is that excessive dietary salt causes calcium excretion and is a cause of osteoporosis.


                      I have been eating paleo for almost 4 years and I have researched diet and nutrition almost every day since we started. My wife and I refined our list over the first year or so, while experimenting with our reactions to foods.


                      Since eating strict paleo my wife has lost her asthma and no longer gets migraines (which used to be common). I don't get joint pain in my knees (which I used to), we sleep better, we feel better, we lost our excess body fat, I am putting on muscle easier, and the list goes on.


                      We will never go back.

                      The "Seven Deadly Sins"

                      • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
                      • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
                      • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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                        If you are happy, I'm happy for you.


                        Don't confuse one person's reaction to a food group as a reason everyone should avoid that group. Bad science.


                        And don't forget, this trying to duplicate a diet that we really, really know very little about is shooting in the dark. I doubt very much if Grok got many vegetables or nuts out there on the Serengeti.


                        I find the PB diet restrictive enough, forgoing many things pleasurable. I'm not going to your extreme. I hope you can be happy for me, too.

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                          I think Paleo is pretty straight forward. There is no reason to think we *need* anything non-paleo, and there are a lot of reasons to think that eating modern foods cause modern chronic diseases.


                          The more we diverge from paleo, the higher the risk of being unhealthy.

                          “Every saint has a past and every sinner has a future.” -Oscar Wilde
                          "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it." -George Bernard Shaw
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                            OnTheBayou - I'm not confusing one persons reaction to a food to the population. I was giving you one example. You just need to read the posts here to see that there are plenty of PB'ers having other issues with dairy.


                            If you think you are fine with it, good for you. I'm convinced it is not good for me and my wife has a fantastic reason to avoid it.


                            I found paleo restrictive until I lived it for a while. Now I just crave a good steak.


                            I'm happy that everyone here is doing PB as it is much better than SAD. I'd love to see everyone eat paleo, but I know it is never going to happen.

                            The "Seven Deadly Sins"

                            • Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc) . . . . .• Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant etc)
                            • Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . • Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc) . . . • Refined foods (salt/sugars etc )
                            • Legumes (soy/beans/peas etc)

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                              I repeat what I said to Tarlac, SS, if you are happy, I'm happy for you. I don't know what the need is for humans to have everyone think like them selves.


                              Please don't tell me what I should do. I've eliminated 90-95% of the bad crap as Mark defines it. It's good enough for me.


                              Zealots come in all stripes and when it comes to health and diet, there is a whole ark full of them. No doubt worse in quantity and intensity than ex-smokers, objectivists, and evangelical Christians.

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