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  • I'd say I wish my metabolism was like Chaco's rather than Chaco's like mine, I just don't think I can achieve it the way he thinks it can be done by everyone.
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    • Originally posted by oxide View Post
      And am I the only one who kinda hopes that Choco's young-dude metabolism takes a cliff dive when he hits age 35? The Success Story pages are full of men exactly like him: guys who thought they knew it all because they lived on kegs and corn chips in college and yet still attracted ladies with a six pack... then suddenly they are 45, stressed out at work and whoomp! 55 pounds. Not much sympathy here, sorry.
      Yeah, I am sure that your little rant will scare the hell out of Choco now!! Personally I can still see my abs at fifty though - must be all that nasty Aspartarme that I consume that keeps them shine through...
      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

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      • The arrogance of young men can be quite startling. But from an evolutionary standpoint, perhaps it was necessary way back when. After all, most young girls are more attracted to the guy who seems to know everything than to timid guys who are honest about trying to find their way.

        That said, we no longer mate for life at 14 or 15, so once again an adaptation that might have worked for Grok just comes off silly.

        I don't write Choco off totally and hope that someday he'll look back at his youthful arrogance and blush maybe just a little.

        Besides, everyone knows it's we Baby Boomers who know everything, not those young muscle-heads.
        "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

        B*tch-lite

        Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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        • I don't see what Choco Taco is doing wrong. He eats whole foods, just with higher carbs. He still eats primal foods. He even says that he cycles high carb and higher fat days/meals. His goal is to increase his metabolic rate. He isn't ruining it by eating junk food. Any junk food he eats is high in saturated fat anyway (not PUFAs).

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          • Originally posted by max219 View Post
            I don't see what Choco Taco is doing wrong. He eats whole foods, just with higher carbs. He still eats primal foods. He even says that he cycles high carb and higher fat days/meals. His goal is to increase his metabolic rate. He isn't ruining it by eating junk food. Any junk food he eats is high in saturated fat anyway (not PUFAs).
            I have no problem with him eating higher carb Primal. I have a problem with him telling everyone who doesn't that they are "doing it wrong" and have eating disorders and suffer from orthorexia, etc.

            He found what works for him. Cool. But he won't let other people do the same thing. Double standards everywhere.

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            • Originally posted by Leida View Post
              Ricotta is similar to cottage cheese, and higher in protein normally, so I think it is a valid substitute.
              Thanks Leida, I wasn't sure about that.

              Originally posted by otzi View Post
              Sorry for jumping to the end, but have you been checked for SIBO? It's tested with a breath test that sounds quite involved. If you have bacterial overgrowth, a low fiber diet will definitely be best for you. What happens is the bacteria which are out-of-place in your small intestine eat the undigested fiber and cause pain and bloat and other symptoms of GERD and IBD.

              Norm Robillard at Digestive Health Institute Home Page - Digestive Health InstituteDigestive Health Institute | Your Resource for Digestive Health has lots of good ideas on the subject a step higher than the normal FODMAP approach.

              Good luck!
              I had a fructose intolerance breath test a while back, the result was that I am not intolerant of fructose.

              Thanks for the link, I'll definately look into that one.

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              • Whole bunch of hating going on in here, but, to throw it out, my metabolism has gotten better than when I was teenager. Based on an algorithm(crude estimation, really, but works well enough) I coded, going by weight gain/loss and average calorie intake plus exercise vs sedentary, on a weekly or monthly basis(I coded both) it puts my maintenance calories at near 3.8k. I never ate remotely close to that when I was a teenager, and put on weight easier.

                Choco, and I, are doing it right by supporting metabolism earlier, so, I seriously doubt his is going to "tank" and gain 50+ lbs as a jealous user put it. It's obvious it slows down, but, by being healthier early, and negating stress as much as possible, I highly doubt he's going to run into too many problems.
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                • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                  Whole bunch of hating going on in here, but, to throw it out, my metabolism has gotten better than when I was teenager. Based on an algorithm(crude estimation, really, but works well enough) I coded, going by weight gain/loss and average calorie intake plus exercise vs sedentary, on a weekly or monthly basis(I coded both) it puts my maintenance calories at near 3.8k. I never ate remotely close to that when I was a teenager, and put on weight easier.

                  Choco, and I, are doing it right by supporting metabolism earlier, so, I seriously doubt his is going to "tank" and gain 50+ lbs as a jealous user put it. It's obvious it slows down, but, by being healthier early, and negating stress as much as possible, I highly doubt he's going to run into too many problems.
                  Everyone runs into problems eventually. Mortality is still 100%.

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                  • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                    Everyone runs into problems eventually. Mortality is still 100%.
                    I have never seen evidence of any principle of mortality in the human body. Someone is going to crack it, because we already contain all assets needed for never-ending renewal and regeneration.
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                    • Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                      I have never seen evidence of any principle of mortality in the human body. Someone is going to crack it, because we already contain all assets needed for never-ending renewal and regeneration.
                      You guys are Ray Peat believers, and that's ok. Ray Peat is a very smart, forward thinking guy. It can be very difficult to look back and come up the right answers. Have you considered how often forward thinkers are wrong?
                      Some of you may die, but that is a risk I'm willing to take.

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                      • Originally posted by Black Timber View Post
                        You guys are Ray Peat believers, and that's ok. Ray Peat is a very smart, forward thinking guy. It can be very difficult to look back and come up the right answers. Have you considered how often forward thinkers are wrong?
                        It's inquisitive minds that push innovation forward, though. There are plenty of superseded scientific theories, such as the commonly accepted fact of the Earth being flat, or hollow.

                        How many of you believed CW nutritional science not too long ago? Now it's considered crazy to most here, and myself.
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                        • Originally posted by oxide View Post
                          Then maybe the Peat diet just isn't for you, I guess? The more I read about this Peat diet, the less I like it. But others seem to do well on it, perhaps those with out-of-whack hormones. Maybe you could eat a primal/Peat hybrid, like primal with more potatoes. If the only reason for the excessive dairy is for the vitamins, you can make that up with organ meats and kale.
                          I'm not a fan of labeling my diet, just trying different tweaks to improve. Also 'cause it's fun to experiment. A lot of dairy makes sense if that's what you have access to. Where I live now, tropical fruits and coconuts are in abundance (i.e. free), so I feel like it's more 'natural' to eat more of that. Cheese here is imported by air.


                          Originally posted by oxide View Post
                          And am I the only one who kinda hopes that Choco's young-dude metabolism takes a cliff dive when he hits age 35? The Success Story pages are full of men exactly like him: guys who thought they knew it all because they lived on kegs and corn chips in college and yet still attracted ladies with a six pack... then suddenly they are 45, stressed out at work and whoomp! 55 pounds. Not much sympathy here, sorry.
                          I'm female and sedentary, hence slower metabolism, but I like how Choco's posts challenge everything we think we know. He may be wrong, but at least he thinks critically and doesn't blindly follow.

                          Anyway, his diet isn't kegs and corn chips...

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                          • Originally posted by Leida View Post
                            I'd say I wish my metabolism was like Chaco's rather than Chaco's like mine, I just don't think I can achieve it the way he thinks it can be done by everyone.
                            I actually think it can be achieved, just requires a lot of patience and letting go of 'dieting' mentality. Okay, maybe sedentary ladies won't ever be able to eat 3000cals/day, but metabolism must be more flexible than we think because the body adapts.

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                            • There is the whole long thread about a few non-sedentary women who tried to eat about 2000 cals a day, for a few months to reset their metahbolism. I was one of them. The weight for most of us came up 10 to 20 lbs and never come down. I managed to beat the weight down twice, first after the initial post-pg gain, second after a bulk up. Third time...did not happen. My n=1 is that once weight is lost, die but hold, because methabolic rate is simply low and not getting higher. 1300-1500 is a grim reality for me, and that's with a daily commitment to lifting, cardio and MS. On a day I do not workout (just walk), the only way to keep weight from climbing up a lb or 2 for me is to eat nothing. Not 1000 cals, not 500 cals, nothing. I hate it, because I love eating and I know that I work out because I want to eat... kindda a curse of being a woman, I suppose.
                              Last edited by Leida; 08-12-2013, 08:52 PM.
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                              • Originally posted by Leida View Post
                                There is the whole long thread about a few non-sedentary women who tried to eat about 2000 cals a day, for a few months to reset their metahbolism. I was one of them. The weight for most of us came up 10 to 20 lbs and never come down. I managed to beat the weight down twice, first after the initial post-pg gain, second after a bulk up. Third time...did not happen. My n=1 is that once weight is lost, die but hold, because methabolic rate is simply low and not getting higher. 1300-1500 is a grim reality for me, and that's with a daily commitment to lifting, cardio and MS. On a day I do not workout (just walk), the only way to keep weight from climbing up a lb or 2 for me is to eat nothing. Not 1000 cals, not 500 cals, nothing. I hate it, because I love eating and I know that I work out because I want to eat... kindda a curse of being a woman, I suppose.
                                Leida, thanks for sharing.

                                This is depressing, maybe it has to do with the type of food, or the length of time is not enough?

                                Maybe 1) you are overtraining and that's stressful or 2) gaining muscle thus weighing more?

                                Choco mentioned gaining first, then losing as metabolism improves. It's a bigger picture outlook on diet and health that makes sense to me though I have not tried..

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