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  • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
    You gotta like bulk and cut bra...... feed da muscle bro!
    Laughed so hard I startled the cat. Poor thing.

    “you aren't what you eat - you are what you don't poop.” Wavy Gravy

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    • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
      You gotta like bulk and cut bra... You'll never get Hooooooge if you don't feed da muscle bra... i like icecream wrapped in tortillas topped with whip cream and powder sugar for my bulks bra. Get your protein shake in 4x/day and your golden bra. Then you just like don't eat anything with energy till your to 4% shredded and the judges will be like whoa bro...make sure you get your 3g/body ounce of protein though... feed da muscle bro!
      Best post on this thread

      Leida, I get what Choco's saying, and in a way I think I've just done a bulk n' cut in the last six weeks. I started working out but was still eating loads, and got quite beefy. Then my appetite suppression kicked in, and like I said, I shed 6 lbs in two weeks. I can't measure if it was fat or muscle or water, but my progress pics suggest there was at least some fat loss!

      But anyway, I think you're entering into a really good space with food. Just eat what you want. Do what you feel. I bet the magic will happen then.
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • Originally posted by Leida View Post
        Chaco, it works for you, because it is easy for you to lose weight since you are a young male. Whenever I gain weight, I cannot lose it, unless I starve. When I started eating to hunger this October, I rolled up from mid 120's to mid 130's literally in 2-3 weeks. And every day I have to fast and limit my food intake just to stay there. Every time I eat more, I pack on pounds. And they do NOT drop effortlessly. And no, I don't get leaner when I drop weight. And I gain less than 50% muscle when I gain and drop more than that when I lose. When I bulked first time to 132 lbs, I had 107 lbs of muscular mass. Now I am 135 lbs with 105 lbs muscular mass. I think weight gain for me is a very, very bad idea, as I experience the yo-yo effect they warn you about when you end up becoming fatter at the same weight.

        I am almost 40. I am a woman with a pear shape. I am afraid to gain any more fat - I have more than enough. If I can't grow muscle at this BF% with split routines by the end of the year, I am going to say f**k it, and do what everyone else does. Stop eating and lifting, and start spinning. I hate the idea, but it's better be thin and not muscular than fat and not muscular.
        I think women these days believe they should be thinner than their natural 'setpoint'. It's influenced by culture and not about health.

        Although I do understand not wanting to get fat. I have that fear myself-- most of my female relatives were smaller than me when young, and once middle-aged, are all overweight, always exercising, and never being able to lose weight.

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        • Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
          You gotta like bulk and cut bra... You'll never get Hooooooge if you don't feed da muscle bra... i like icecream wrapped in tortillas topped with whip cream and powder sugar for my bulks bra. Get your protein shake in 4x/day and your golden bra. Then you just like don't eat anything with energy till your to 4% shredded and the judges will be like whoa bro...make sure you get your 3g/body ounce of protein though... feed da muscle bro!
          NH, you're the best.

          What Choco fails to get is that it's different for girls. We are genetically programmed to hang onto every little bit of excess we gain because we might be having a baby some time soon and need the extra nutrition. We can't just drop those extra pounds like putting down a backpack.

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          • Originally posted by Leida View Post
            Is there a good link about cheese helping to heal? Most other healing protocols exclude dairy, so I am wondering why dairy is such a big item for Peat.

            Right now the only raw milk product for me will be full fat cheese. YB, do you eat full fat or skim cheese?

            Peat is macro-agnostic, right, as long as you do not eat PUFA?
            I have a question about the dairy. If you can't handle dairy well, what are the alternatives?

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            • Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
              Gaining knowledge is never a bad thing.
              Unless the knowledge you gain is "I wish I'd never done that" Or "Now my life is changed, and not for the better"
              Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

              Griff's cholesterol primer
              5,000 Cal Fat <> 5,000 Cal Carbs
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              TQP: I find for me that nutrition is much more important than what I do in the gym.
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              • Originally posted by magicmerl View Post
                Unless the knowledge you gain is "I wish I'd never done that" Or "Now my life is changed, and not for the better"
                Yeah, that and you have to distinguish if the knowledge your gaining is simply new to "you" or actually novel new to "us" knowledge. For the most part people just get really zealous about what is new to themselves. Lots of info out their and even great ideas that really are beneficial rightfully resurface, but it does have to be balanced with current and evolving theories and data.

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                • I +1 NH and Paleobird here. Bulk and Cut actually doesn't work for all men either. It works the best from what I have seen from people who come to it from underweight state, either by severe dieting, or hard gainers. I believe I have even seen recommendation to avoid C&Bs for people in the normal BF% range. Even if not, based on my previous less than spectacular bulk + n=1, I will not risk one deliberately. All signs for me point to restrained eating = better body comp.

                  YB, if Bulk-Cut cycle works for you, that's great news actually. One thing to take into account is how long you have been lifting. If you started recently, beginners gains I find happen to women as well as men, and they are the single biggest positive impact I have seen on the body. As I was lifting non-stop for close to 4 years now & at some point I've peaked, burned up and never could match those maxes after, my response to lifting is now pretty minimal, independent of the amount and quality of food I take in.

                  I am quite happy with what I eat atm, so I will focus again on making nuts a weekly rather than a daily treat and bringing the hormones to normal. Modest goals, but important ones
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                  • Hi everyone, last week I implemented a few of the suggestions in this thread.
                    For lunch at work I was having fruit with ricotta cheese ( I'm not sure if that is the same as Cottage Cheese, but has a similar consistency)
                    Breakfast was baked apples and other fruits with greek yoghurt and some crumble type topping.
                    Dinner is mostly same as before, some type of meat with salad ( sometimes with potato or rice)
                    I also bought some of the disolvable green tinned Great Lakes and put that into Orange juice.

                    Positives:
                    For the first time in ages I didn't feel like the mid afternoon chocolate bar, I've been having severe sugar cravings, ( another story) but this week I do feel they have eased a little. I was able to get through the afternoon with no eating at all.

                    I lost 400g ( small amount I know but I'm happy with any downward movement of the scales no matter how small.

                    Negatives:

                    I am still bloated and have soreness on right side of what I thought was my stomach but is apparenly my transverse colon. ( Gastroenterologist wanted me on Low Fodmap to see if that helped, and if it doesn't stop then I am to have a colonoscopy. ) Anything fibrous seems to aggravate things, so the Peat type eating being low fibre I hope will help me.

                    Thankyou to all for the help in this thread, its much appreciated.

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                    • Ricotta is similar to cottage cheese, and higher in protein normally, so I think it is a valid substitute.
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                      • Originally posted by Slinkykitty View Post
                        Hi everyone, last week I implemented a few of the suggestions in this thread.
                        For lunch at work I was having fruit with ricotta cheese ( I'm not sure if that is the same as Cottage Cheese, but has a similar consistency)
                        Breakfast was baked apples and other fruits with greek yoghurt and some crumble type topping.
                        Dinner is mostly same as before, some type of meat with salad ( sometimes with potato or rice)
                        I also bought some of the disolvable green tinned Great Lakes and put that into Orange juice.

                        Positives:
                        For the first time in ages I didn't feel like the mid afternoon chocolate bar, I've been having severe sugar cravings, ( another story) but this week I do feel they have eased a little. I was able to get through the afternoon with no eating at all.

                        I lost 400g ( small amount I know but I'm happy with any downward movement of the scales no matter how small.

                        Negatives:

                        I am still bloated and have soreness on right side of what I thought was my stomach but is apparenly my transverse colon. ( Gastroenterologist wanted me on Low Fodmap to see if that helped, and if it doesn't stop then I am to have a colonoscopy. ) Anything fibrous seems to aggravate things, so the Peat type eating being low fibre I hope will help me.

                        Thankyou to all for the help in this thread, its much appreciated.
                        Sorry for jumping to the end, but have you been checked for SIBO? It's tested with a breath test that sounds quite involved. If you have bacterial overgrowth, a low fiber diet will definitely be best for you. What happens is the bacteria which are out-of-place in your small intestine eat the undigested fiber and cause pain and bloat and other symptoms of GERD and IBD.

                        Norm Robillard at Digestive Health Institute Home Page - Digestive Health InstituteDigestive Health Institute | Your Resource for Digestive Health has lots of good ideas on the subject a step higher than the normal FODMAP approach.

                        Good luck!

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                        • Originally posted by girlhk View Post
                          I have a question about the dairy. If you can't handle dairy well, what are the alternatives?
                          Then maybe the Peat diet just isn't for you, I guess? The more I read about this Peat diet, the less I like it. But others seem to do well on it, perhaps those with out-of-whack hormones. Maybe you could eat a primal/Peat hybrid, like primal with more potatoes. If the only reason for the excessive dairy is for the vitamins, you can make that up with organ meats and kale.

                          And am I the only one who kinda hopes that Choco's young-dude metabolism takes a cliff dive when he hits age 35? The Success Story pages are full of men exactly like him: guys who thought they knew it all because they lived on kegs and corn chips in college and yet still attracted ladies with a six pack... then suddenly they are 45, stressed out at work and whoomp! 55 pounds. Not much sympathy here, sorry.
                          5'0" female, 45 years old. Started Primal October 31, 2011, at a skinny fat 111.5 lbs. Low weight: 99.5 lb on a fast. Gained back to 115(!) on SAD chocolate, potato chips, and stress. Currently 111.

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                          • Originally posted by oxide View Post
                            And am I the only one who kinda hopes that Choco's young-dude metabolism takes a cliff dive when he hits age 35? The Success Story pages are full of men exactly like him: guys who thought they knew it all because they lived on kegs and corn chips in college and yet still attracted ladies with a six pack... then suddenly they are 45, stressed out at work and whoomp! 55 pounds. Not much sympathy here, sorry.
                            when every new dietary tweak is espoused with the conviction that THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY WAY... you have..... chocotaco, ladies and gentlemen
                            beautiful
                            yeah you are

                            Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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                            • Not thinking of C-Taco in particular, but I think there are going to be regrets just as you said.

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                              • Originally posted by oxide View Post
                                And am I the only one who kinda hopes that Choco's young-dude metabolism takes a cliff dive when he hits age 35? The Success Story pages are full of men exactly like him: guys who thought they knew it all because they lived on kegs and corn chips in college and yet still attracted ladies with a six pack... then suddenly they are 45, stressed out at work and whoomp! 55 pounds. Not much sympathy here, sorry.
                                But Choco's not eating corn chips and kegs of beer; he's eating whole, nutritious foods. I don't think that's increases the risk of metabolic ruin at any age. And to wish metabolic demise to anyone is really juvenile and pretty cruel. I hope everyone can have as much success as Choco at any age!
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