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  • #61
    Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
    ummmmmmm......................... I thought cals were cals?
    Originally posted by stina1115 View Post
    could be that by eating primal/low-carb, your body was able to stabilize your hormones, which increased your basal metabolic rate. This could account for the calorie deficit, as well as the appetite/craving suppression usually accompanied by low-carb/primal eating/hormone balance. I believe that this is what happened for me.

    I agree though, for me it was all about the hormones. Peter attia explains this well - do calories matter? the eating academy | peter attia, m.d. The eating academy | peter attia, m.d.

    yes!!!!!!!!!!!

    As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

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    • #62
      All these things matter. Please, don't insult my intelligence by some half-claim that calories weren't responsible for your weight loss. It is always CICO, and failure is due to the human factor 100% of the time.
      I used to be a big proponent of CICO.... and it still applies. BUT, damn, as a woman entering the late 30's to 40's it is damn hard to get that balance correct of CICO. Your metabolism really does change. And I think you get less burn from working out. Plus I think your body stalls more often and loss is less linear so even more difficult to track.

      I mean, I track, not like you apparently, but the tracking has been consistent through good/bad and ongoing days.

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      • #63
        i count calories and carbs as a lot of you know and its worked really well for me. i also count protein and fat. i also count steps!
        someone said earlier, choco i think, about primal cutting out most of the additives food is bombarded with and i think this is incredibly important, particularly for me.
        understanding appetite and hunger has been a massive step forward for me too. 800 calories is quite a low amount but there's no doubt i get more than adequate nutrition from this whereas my actual nutrition when eating grains was abysmal even though i ate 3x the calories
        When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
        27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
        new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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        • #64
          Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post

          I wish you would stop with the ad hominems and name-calling and argue with facts and useful information.
          i have no desire to get into a google-fu battle with anybody. it's pointless.

          it's very tiresome being told by young men that i don't know how to weigh my food, eat reasonable portions only when hungry or increase my activity level and that's why i gained weight. at best it's patronizing and at worst it's misogynist.
          As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

          Ernest Hemingway

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          • #65
            Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
            i have no desire to get into a google-fu battle with anybody. it's pointless.

            it's very tiresome being told by young men that i don't know how to weigh my food, eat reasonable portions only when hungry or increase my activity level and that's why i gained weight. at best it's patronizing and at worst it's misogynist.
            Ok.
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            • #66
              Eh, when I was counting just calories and continuing to consume carbs and sugar, I was losing a pound MAYBE every few months.

              As of November, I started to consume about the same amount of calories with a lot less carbs and sugar (and mostly gave up wheat), and I've been losing an average of 1 pound per week ever since. Other than that, I haven't changed my routine much.

              I won't say calories don't matter, because I don't want to open up that can of worms, but in my experience, carbs matter a hell of a lot more than calories.
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              • #67
                I used to be a big proponent of CICO.... and it still applies. BUT, damn, as a woman entering the late 30's to 40's it is damn hard to get that balance correct of CICO. Your metabolism really does change. And I think you get less burn from working out. Plus I think your body stalls more often and loss is less linear so even more difficult to track.
                Word! If only appetite got clued in. That's btw is where I disagree with Chaco. I don't think we are eating out of habit. It's pretty much unthinkable to me to eat as much as I did when I was young, and I am down to 2 meals a day - or trying to. But it's hard because I am hungry. Why I am hungry, I don't know. And I am hungry at any macro ratio and cleanliness level I tried.
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                  ummmmmmm......................... i thought cals were cals?
                  Yes, a calorie is ALWAYS a calorie, but a gram of protein can count different, depending on the source, so make sure to take that into your exact rigid scientific calculations! Well, a calorie budget cannot be exact science because your metabolism will change along the way, and for this reason you must adjust empirically depending on how you respond. Personally I use it to set up a diet, and then stick to portion control for adjustment. What always matters for weightloss is to stay in a calorie deficit - energy deficit - there cannot be any weightloss without it...
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                  • #70
                    Originally posted by Katie14 View Post
                    When you say metabolic syndrom are you talking about being very carb sensitive like craving carbs and becoming completely ravenous when blood sugar levels drop?
                    I mean Metabolic Syndrome, capital letters, the diseased state of modern obesity.

                    Metabolic syndrome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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                    Last edited by sbhikes; 07-22-2013, 02:06 PM.
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                    • #71
                      It's funny... this whole thread exemplifies why I chose not to work in the nutrition industry after collecting my nutrition degree. There is poster after poster, stating outright that the way to lose weight is X. And so many of the X's are different.... When I was a personal trainer people would ask me what they should eat... the most nutrition advise I would ever give was "eat food that looks as close as possible to how it looks in nature."

                      That was it really... It's very hard for people to take in so much conflicting info that's been gleaned from personal experience and apply it to themselves without getting confused. Especially people who don't know how to read a peer-reviewed journal article.

                      I think the best approach is probably the self-experimentation route. Unfortunately there isn't one method that works well for everyone... Eat, exercise (and record it). If nothing changes after a few weeks (weight, feeling, sleep, skin, energy, etc), make ONE adjustment, re-evaluate. Repeat.

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                      • #72
                        This one is even more interesting.
                        The Calorie Paradox: Did Four Rice Chex Make America Fat? (Part II of “There Is No Such Thing As A Calorie”) - GNOLLS.ORG
                        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                        • #73
                          I think what some people miss is how low of calories some women need. Some sedentary women may need 1000 calories a day. I can have 1800-2000 but I do Crossfit 5 days a week.

                          It's easy if you can eat a reasonable amount of calories to restrict but as you get lower, if you can't handle the hard working out, you are looking at not getting to eat very much. It's hard to stay not hungry and not malnourished on 1000 calories a day. Yeah, going from 3000 calories to 2400 calories is not hard and that's still a lot of food. But when you start dropping to 1000 calories that's overall really &^&*^&* hard and worth the time to monkey around with CICO alternatives.

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                          • #74
                            Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
                            ummmmmmm......................... i thought cals were cals?
                            The thermogenic effect has more to do with the calories out part though

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                            • #75
                              Everybody naturally assumes the calories in part of the equation is the part that people get wrong. That people who are overweight are just gluttons. But I have experienced the calories out part of the equation becoming warped over time, too. Tell me how many calories I should eat to lose weight if I am exercising 12-14 hours a day non-stop? Doing this, I reached a homeostasis where I was not thin and not losing weight and completely and utterly starving with my stomach growling every minute of the day. The calories out part was totally broken for me. Other people around me doing the same thing as me were emaciated. Why not me? It certainly wasn't because I was stronger than them and carrying more food. I consistently ate half a pound to a pound less of (dried) food per day as what is recommended for this kind of activity.
                              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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