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    Hi everyone;

    For reasons I won't go in to here I have had to eat one freshly made chocolate chip cookie (or some dough) every night for the past three nights. I made the dough from scratch so I know there are no chemicals or preservatives in it.

    Each night I noticed that about 1-2 hours late my heart rate was increased and seemed to be a beating "harder" than normal as well. Not a racing, panicky, scary thing....but clearly an biologic response to eating the cookie.

    So what is this? Just a response to the sugar? But I have eaten sugar in other setting where this didn't happen. Or is it a quick response to wheat?

    Any thoughts? I'm not worried or anything - just curious about the biology and if others have experienced it.

    Thanks!!
    Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

    http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

  • #2
    Did you use agave or another fructose containing sweetener? I notice a really strong heart rate based response to fructose. If you're suffering from an autoimmune condition, it may also be a signal that your body isn't really coping well with sweets.

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    • #3
      I get this when I eat cake or biscuits: I think it's the wheat actually! Honey / dark chocolate / tea with sugar doesn't do it to me.
      "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

      In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

      - Ray Peat

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      • #4
        Do you low carb it by any chance? Running on fats generally drops your metabolism quite a bit. Carbohydrate is very thermogenic - it is a more "powerful" energy source and increases your thyroid and raises your body temperature. It could just be your metabolism picking up because you just ate a fatty ball of sugar and starch. Low carbing it, I got my heart rate before bedtime all the way down to 42. I've spent the past year of my life trying to raise it back up.
        Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jammies View Post
          Hi everyone;
          Each night I noticed that about 1-2 hours late my heart rate was increased and seemed to be a beating "harder" than normal as well. Not a racing, panicky, scary thing....but clearly an biologic response to eating the cookie.

          So what is this? Just a response to the sugar? But I have eaten sugar in other setting where this didn't happen. Or is it a quick response to wheat?

          Any thoughts? I'm not worried or anything - just curious about the biology and if others have experienced it.

          Thanks!!
          I've experienced heart beating harder after eating a lot of sugar (gluten free, so not wheat). Not just that, but I could hear/feel the blood rushing at the pulse in my temple. I thought for sure I was going to burst a blood vessel in my head and die.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
            Do you low carb it by any chance? Running on fats generally drops your metabolism quite a bit. Carbohydrate is very thermogenic - it is a more "powerful" energy source and increases your thyroid and raises your body temperature. It could just be your metabolism picking up because you just ate a fatty ball of sugar and starch. Low carbing it, I got my heart rate before bedtime all the way down to 42. I've spent the past year of my life trying to raise it back up.
            I'm not the OP, but I go in cycles of low/moderate carb. Low carb when left to my own devices and I'm not eating a bunch of "treats", higher when I follow an auto immune protocol, because I add things like plantains, cassava and pumpkins for the prebiotics.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dulcimina View Post
              I'm not the OP, but I go in cycles of low/moderate carb. Low carb when left to my own devices and I'm not eating a bunch of "treats", higher when I follow an auto immune protocol, because I add things like plantains, cassava and pumpkins for the prebiotics.
              I do the same as well. I feel it is the best way to eat. It maximizes your insulin sensitivity by having frequent high carb days, maximizes your ability to burn fat efficiently by having frequent low carb days and really best mimics natural feast/famine eating patterns and keeps your diet varied for maximum nutrient density. Sounds like you're doing a great job.
              Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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              • #8
                The body tends to react this way to toxic agents. A very prevalent sign is a rapid heart rate.
                Last edited by Neckhammer; 07-18-2013, 07:50 AM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jammies View Post
                  Hi everyone;

                  For reasons I won't go in to here I have had to eat one freshly made chocolate chip cookie (or some dough) every night for the past three nights. I made the dough from scratch so I know there are no chemicals or preservatives in it.

                  Each night I noticed that about 1-2 hours late my heart rate was increased and seemed to be a beating "harder" than normal as well. Not a racing, panicky, scary thing....but clearly an biologic response to eating the cookie.

                  So what is this? Just a response to the sugar? But I have eaten sugar in other setting where this didn't happen. Or is it a quick response to wheat?

                  Any thoughts? I'm not worried or anything - just curious about the biology and if others have experienced it.

                  Thanks!!
                  Have to eat cookies... Heart rate goes up... I think I figured out your secret identity, Jammies.

                  The Champagne of Beards

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                  • #10
                    Choco, just wondering how many carbs you consume on your lower/moderate days and on your higher days? Also do you just go by feel or have a plan?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                      The body tends to react this way to toxic agents. A very prevalent sign is a rapid heart rate.
                      The body may react with a high heart frequence to SOME toxic agents, other toxic agents may infact lower the heart rate. A cookie is not a toxic agent as far as I understand. Interesting is the physiological response to sugars and fast carbs when on a low carb diet, the blood pressure goes up and veins pop out on the skin, but this is a normal response, and not patholgical...
                      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                      - Schopenhauer

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Gorbag View Post
                        The body may react with a high heart frequence to SOME toxic agents, other toxic agents may infact lower the heart rate. A cookie is not a toxic agent as far as I understand. Interesting is the physiological response to sugars and fast carbs when on a low carb diet, the blood pressure goes up and veins pop out on the skin, but this is a normal response, and not patholgical...
                        You mean this is a normal response to an agent that may or may not be toxic in your current circumstance and you hope it doesn't lead to pathology

                        Anyhow.... Yes SOME toxic agents lead to rapid heart rate. And in a cookie (even a homemade one) its a possibility.

                        Peter did a good post on what constitutes toxic here Is sugar toxic? The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D. The Eating Academy | Peter Attia, M.D.

                        But, I'm not necessarily relegating it to just sugar. We're talking bout a cookie, so who knows which constituent produces the effect. Heck it very well could just be a response to an overfeed and subsequent decrease in parasympathetic inhibition and/or increased sympathetic response. This is a known response and could be the most likely mechanism. Did OP have the cookies in addition to large dinners?
                        Last edited by Neckhammer; 07-18-2013, 12:13 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                          Heck it very well could just be a response to an overfeed and subsequent decrease in parasympathetic inhibition. This is a known response and could be the most likely mechanism.
                          My thoughts as well - an increase in force-frequency of heart contraction can be attributed to increased binding of adrenaline to the beta adrenergic receptors in the heart, which is stimulated by an up-regulation of the sympathetic nervous system. So basically, this is the opposite reaction you'd get if you were to take beta-blockers, as they block the beta adrenergic receptors (surprisingly enough).

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                          • #14
                            Same thing happens to me after tasty baked goods, thought it was the sugar as well,
                            but then it happened to me after a togo's sandwich AND a western bacon cheeseburger
                            from carl's jr., so I'm thinking it's the wheat as well.

                            That said, it happens after a f*ckton of snickers and twix (tra la la la la), but I'm talking
                            GOBS of them.. gobs...

                            ~Anonymous

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Meghanner View Post
                              Did you use agave or another fructose containing sweetener? I notice a really strong heart rate based response to fructose. If you're suffering from an autoimmune condition, it may also be a signal that your body isn't really coping well with sweets.
                              It has a mixture of white sugar and brown sugar. I don't think there is any fructose.

                              I do have an autoimmune condition. How is that related?
                              Using low lectin/nightshade free primal to control autoimmune arthritis. (And lost 50 lbs along the way )

                              http://www.krispin.com/lectin.html

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