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    I have been doing Primal/Keto for the past 2 months...I feel amazing, excellent energy, sleep, skin, etc...weight is and always has been in normal range....would like to lose the last 5 vanity pounds, but not worrying too much about it...anyway, I've noticed that I'm losing a lot more hair on a daily basis and I am growing concerned. Anyone else notice this? I also noticed that my hair is growing a lot faster (need a haircut every 3-4 weeks instead of usual 8 weeks)...any ideas? Thyroid levels were checked about 4-6 months ago and everything was normal...otherwise I feel amazing but am concerned about my thining hair...

    I eat 1-2oz of liverwurst daily and 1 C of bone broth daily. All meat is GF, eggs pastured, veggies organic, etc. I get 8 hours of excellent sleep, low stress, walk 1-1.5 hours daily...calories 1200-1400/day 70-85% fat, 50-60g protein, <20 carbs...love the way I feel so don't want to not be ketogenic...any thoughts?

    42 yo female

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    Sorry to hear. Some people have no hair shedding problems on keto, but many do. This is most likely due to not getting sufficient sugar in your diet, which is essential for thyroid health. Personally, I struggled with this same problem for a long time and even now over a year later my hair has not yet recovered 100%.
    I would suggest eating more fruit for starters.

    Also, my thyroid tests also came back "normal", whatever that is supposed to mean. My understanding is that doctors do not test the thyroid in enough detail and misdiagnosing or under-diagnosing is a very common occurrence.

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    • #3
      42 is too young to have thinning hair.
      If it was me, I would add a little bit of carbs up until my hair would stop falling out.
      Paleo since April 2013 for health reasons.

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      • #4
        I'm not understanding -- your hair is growing faster, but thinning at the same time? Do you mean you're losing more hair than you can possibly regrow in the same time? If you were just shedding more it could mean unhealthy hair is falling out, but if you're excessively shedding it's likely due to diet stress. My hair fell out a lot during my stint in ketosis, but also regrew a lot slower. It took about 8 months for my hair to normalize after ketosis, but you certainly do need to switch up your diet. Also, topical caffeine can help arrest hair fall. I like to use espresso dissolved in alcohol with progesterone cream and vitamin e since all of these help with circulatory health which is a lot of the problem with low carb diet especially if you notice you feel colder than usual.


        One other thing... Do you notice any itching, irritation or anything like that?
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        • #5
          Yep. I am right there with you. Continued hair loss, despite taking vitamins, minerals, etc..... I am hoping that this is the WORST it can get - because if so, well at least I still have SOME HAIR. LOL!

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          • #6
            Your calories sound waaaaay too low! Try upping to 1600-1800 and see what happens.

            That said, usually Hair loss when changing diets is usually to do with your previous diet/deficiencies/hormones balancing.

            I went from a nutrient dense WAP to a nutrient-dense Primal, 70-100 gm carb diet to a nutrient-dense Primal keto diet with no hair loss. Like you, my hair is growing faster.
            Last edited by Dragonfly; 07-17-2013, 10:27 AM.
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            • #7
              And the thyroid/keto story is a myth:
              Low-Carb Diets and T3: A False Alarm | A Worldly Monk
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              • #8
                calories 1200-1400/day
                Great, if you're less than 5 feet tall.
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                • #9
                  your proteins a bit low actually and you can eat more than 20g carbs and still be in ketosis
                  When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
                  27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
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                  • #10
                    Every time I went LC/VLC within 3 months this happens to me, I start shedding hair, the only way I can stop it is by eating more carbs. I tried to take massive doses of biotin, and higher fat/protein, took kelp you name it, nothing worked until I started eating carbs again.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
                      Your calories sound waaaaay too low! Try upping to 1600-1800 and see what happens.
                      This.

                      Originally posted by Dragonfly View Post
                      And the thyroid/keto story is a myth:
                      Low-Carb Diets and T3: A False Alarm | A Worldly Monk
                      So this.

                      Originally posted by CarbDodger View Post
                      your proteins a bit low actually and you can eat more than 20g carbs and still be in ketosis
                      And this.
                      Plus, the fact that you say you are down to the last 5 vanity pounds I think is important here. You may think you need to lose 5 more but your body may disagree. The stress is showing now because you don't have the reserves to draw on the way you did when you started losing.

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                      • #12
                        lol at people who think a few hundred more calories a day will make any difference whatsoever and that they're "starving".

                        When I was eating 1800 calories a day(I'm a 6'3 male) on CW diet, my hair wasn't thinning. It was only when I was eating 1800 calories a day on a ketosis diet did my hair start to shed.
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                        • #13
                          When You are already very thin it does make a difference and I don't think strict keto is optimal for the very lean. It is all about mobilizing and burning fat stores. If you don't have much in the way of fat stores, you will starve. When the OP had more storage, they were making up the difference between intake and needs with stored fat. Now they are down to just intake and it's not enough.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                            ...but if you're excessively shedding it's likely due to diet stress. My hair fell out a lot during my stint in ketosis, but also regrew a lot slower. It took about 8 months for my hair to normalize after ketosis, but you certainly do need to switch up your diet.

                            One other thing... Do you notice any itching, irritation or anything like that?
                            OK Derp, can you elaborate? You say it fell out a lot while you were in keto & a long time to normalize after. Do you mean you full-stopped keto or came to a balanced keto state after a length of time?

                            Originally posted by Derpamix View Post
                            lol at people who think a few hundred more calories a day will make any difference whatsoever and that they're "starving".

                            When I was eating 1800 calories a day(I'm a 6'3 male) on CW diet, my hair wasn't thinning. It was only when I was eating 1800 calories a day on a ketosis diet did my hair start to shed.
                            You were eating same # calories but thinning on keto....so keto bad for you? Because I'm in a similar boat as the OP but reintroduction of carbs hasn't helped per se.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by spk View Post
                              OK Derp, can you elaborate? You say it fell out a lot while you were in keto & a long time to normalize after. Do you mean you full-stopped keto or came to a balanced keto state after a length of time?
                              From my journal:

                              What I did, after fixing my diet, was vigorously massage my scalp, apply caffeine topical(espresso dissolved in water and alcohol), applied topical t3(t3 dissolved in vitamin e, with progesterone), used ketoconazole shampoo(revita or regenepure, whichever was cheaper) 5mg of biotin a day, and played around with MSM for a little while. Also, loaded up on the b vitamins in addition to making sure my electrolytes, blood sugar, and minerals were replete.

                              It took about 3 months to regain most density throughout, because my body is pretty resilient(as seen in the pic), and probably about 8 months for the weird cowlicks that developed on my temples to go away(it was something resembling a chemo patient -_-)

                              Either way, no one noticed except me. Usually with stress related hair loss it takes 6 months to a year to regrow the lost hair. Patience and staying on top of it is key. Though, fixing the problem, usually it will just reverse itself normally, unless it's MPB.
                              I didn't stay in ketosis any longer. I went full out peatard, and binge ate on carbs for a month before hitting a level I felt good at -- 300-400g. I made sure to get more gelatin, and lots more fruit, and minimize my muscle meat intake while substituting the protein with more calcium rich sources.

                              You were eating same # calories but thinning on keto....so keto bad for you? Because I'm in a similar boat as the OP but reintroduction of carbs hasn't helped per se.
                              I think the biggest problem(not the only) with ketosis is the fact most of us have a long duration of subjection to unsaturated fats, and ketosis liberates them from the cells causing systematic dysfunction and irregularity on a wide scale. If you truly like ketosis, it would take a really long time of avoiding PUFA to clear them from the cells

                              A mathematical relationship between the fatty acid composition of the diet and that of the adipose tissue in man.

                              That shows mathematically the 600 day life for PUFA. Afterwards, keeping fat intake to entirely saturated sources(or make the ratio lean that way as much as possible), I think ketosis can safely be reintroduced. Of course, that's give or take, and it doesn't have to be that long.
                              Last edited by Derpamix; 07-18-2013, 07:58 PM.
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