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  • #16
    Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
    isn't cholesterol necessary for testosterone production? too little would mean lower production of this hormone, yes? elevated testosterone would help burn body fat and build muscle too.
    Exactly. The problem with these doctors is they don't seem to synthesize and see the whole. Just fixate on a single (worthless) number. The cholesterol and testosterone increases could indeed be related.

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    • #17
      I am a physician....and I can tell you that I relate to your story professionally.

      A really common thing I have to do (did this with 2 patients today) is to send blood panels back to their PCP's after I have counseled them on nutrition and an endocrinologist has likely changed or removed meds....I almost never see a non-diabetic, so often we are dealing with VERY sick people. I have to give the "there is no maybe. It's change or die." speech a few times a week.

      So I get a patient referred because they have eye disease, usually a lot of peripheral neuropathy all over, and after the endo sees them me and a dietician sort out their new diet regimens.....what we end up prescribing most of the time is an abbreviated primal approach, with some big caveats to maintain their blood glucose levels. (Straight primal from severe NIDDM could cause glucose crashes that will kill people in their condition) Over time, I am hopefully able to get them on a normal primal diet. It has been life-saving for some, not an exaggeration.

      But that's after I send a 3mo blood panel to their PCP done by the hospital lab. In short, it often looks a lot like yours....with people that 90% of the time are hypertensive....see where this may be a problem?

      The VAP saves me a lot of times though, and I never order a whole-LP panel (the old fashioned kind). Usually I am not recommending the kind of fat intake of a young buck on primal, but I still get big pumps in all the LP's.

      My main rationale to the PCP's is always the Pattern A to Pattern B ratio. Using this along with often crashing trigly levels, I am almost never having to send them back to the PCP for a different diet consult. So, here goes.

      All you need to know about your blood panel, it's ONLY worth when concerning LP's, trigly, or blood glucose is to answer one question: Do you have metabolic syndrome, and how advanced is it?

      That's all. The rest is window dressing and cool to track, but I don't count it otherwise....in my case, I am dealing with SEVERE metabolic syndrome, and that is what kills you. Blood sugar, high LDL, low HDL, obesity, that isn't what kills you. Metabolic syndrome kills you, surefire as they come.

      In your case, there is NOTHING in that panel that suggests any hint of that. A lot of the other stuff you see on there is a mix of genes and diet, and matters little toward your health, in my humble opinion. Any doctor that sees it as an indicator for much anything else is not keeping up with the research....
      "The soul that does not attempt flight; does not notice its chains."

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      • #18
        Thanks, it's really helpful, and very interesting, to hear from people working in the field!

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        • #19
          Excellent post, thanks. Do you plan any changes / tweaks?

          Also was wondering, what was your reaction to a lot of heavy cream? I've been almost as strict primal as you, and have also indulged in high fat dairy from time to time (cream or yoghurt) but I find I wake up the next day fairly stiff in muscles and joints so I am trying to avoid.
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          • #20
            On heavy cream it is tough to say, I'm still asking myself is it beneficial? And in what ways?

            Wheat, potatoes, beer, fruit and milk make me fat, tired and hungry all the time. That much I know for sure.

            On cream I went about 3 months strict paleo before adding it so I could judge the effect. Had to go slow drinking it at first, had a "whoh that's a lot of fat your drinking" reaction from my body. But now I'm used to it and it feels great. And I'm guessing it played a role in my high HDL, and perhaps testosterone.

            But I wonder about fat gain. There's no insulin response, but a ton of calories. I've maintained at a given BF%, but never managed to decrease BF% while drinking cream. So I've made the rule to only do it when in bulk-up mode. Added good muscle this year doing 12 eggs + cream post workout. It works great for that.

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            • #21
              Ah, an idea for my next tweak just came to me; try stopping coffee.

              Started today.

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              • #22
                Awesome job, Ninja. Really Great. Wish I had stayed 100%. Instead I began to have some 10% after 5 months. I learned I had not 'cured' my digestive problems, just put them in remission. Now I'm 100% again but it will take time to get back where I was.

                Your lipid numbers, and the responses to them make me feel much better. We all seem to have the same pattern.

                Thanks for the info.
                "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                  Ah, an idea for my next tweak just came to me; try stopping coffee.

                  Started today.
                  Good idea. My next tweak is cutting out the dairy.

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                  • #24
                    Happy new year! Completed my first full year of paleo. Followed the 100% rule, hit around 98% compliance.

                    Blood lipids: Year end results were basically the same as my 6-month results, HDL stayed high but came down slightly with less cream/butter, TG up slightly with more carbs but still low. Basically the same as before. Oh and the doctor says "LDL is too high you should eat a low fat diet and do cardio daily" and I of course ignore him. After all, that's what I did prior to Paleo, and everything is better now, so why the hell would I do that again? These doctors really should be shot.

                    Testosterone: The big change was another bump to testosterone; now up 42% for the year (I can tell it too, it's real). FYI I did steak, eggs, fatty fish, veggies and barbell lifting all year.

                    Intelligence: The other big change, and it sounds weird perhaps, but feel certain I've received an IQ bump from this diet. Working an analytical job it has really become noticeable, especially during month 6-12. Actually Boyd Eaton has a paper discussing the apparent decline in cranial capacity since the Upper Paleolithic with the introduction of grains, so maybe it's not so far fetched. I also wonder if there is any connection between the higher IQs in NE Asia and their high consumption of fatty fish? Could it be all the fatty fish I'm eating? And I wonder too about sugar and mental function, I only eat around 15g sugar a day (from veggies), extremely strict.

                    2014 Goals:
                    * Paleo 100% rule (same as last year)
                    * Barbell lifting 3x a week (same as last year)
                    * Continuous keto for 60 days! Think I'm ready for this, hit the leanest I've been in 15 years in May on steak & eggs, so going to do it again but without any carbups (Peter Attia style!).
                    * Meditation 2x a day for 20 minutes at 1PM and 7PM, all year, no missed sessions (David Lynch style!).

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                    • #25
                      Happy New Year! Terrific results.

                      Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                      Intelligence: The other big change, and it sounds weird perhaps, but feel certain I've received an IQ bump from this diet. Working an analytical job it has really become noticeable, especially during month 6-12. Actually Boyd Eaton has a paper discussing the apparent decline in cranial capacity since the Upper Paleolithic with the introduction of grains, so maybe it's not so far fetched. I also wonder if there is any connection between the higher IQs in NE Asia and their high consumption of fatty fish? Could it be all the fatty fish I'm eating? And I wonder too about sugar and mental function, I only eat around 15g sugar a day (from veggies), extremely strict.
                      From what I've been reading (off the top of my head; this could be from Grain Brain), cholesterol helps the brain. I think that coconut oil is supposed to be extremely beneficial. Did a quick search online and found this link from, surprisingly, 2005 that talks about the importance of cholesterol for brain function, including memory and learning.

                      Originally posted by KimchiNinja View Post
                      * Meditation 2x a day for 20 minutes at 1PM and 7PM, all year, no missed sessions (David Lynch style!).
                      Dude! David Lynch, as in from Twin Peaks?
                      F, 44 years old, 111.8 lbs, 4 feet 11.5 inches (yes, that half inch matters!)

                      **1st place sparring, AAU TKD regional qualifier, 2/15/15 - It's damn good to hit like a girl!**

                      **First-ever 5K race 11/28/13: 37 minutes, 18+ seconds, no stopping**

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                      • #26
                        And all these old guys that I know with their brain fog and their cholesterol meds and their little tiny pieces of meat and low-fat diets and viagra and prozac. You are correct, Kimchi, these doctors should be shot.
                        Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                        • #27
                          Thank you so much for this report. It is very encouraging. I am going 100% Paleo after 3+ years of Primal. Although I lost a significant amount of weight the first year, my overall health improvements stalled.

                          I am still battling a binge eating disorder, my hormones are imbalanced, and I have preexisting health issues that make even occasional gluten and sugar consumption a little like playing russian roulette.

                          I think that I am one of those people who cannot afford to be only 80% compliant.
                          Primal since 9/24/2010
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                          • #28
                            Great thread!! Very encouraging.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by JackieKessler View Post
                              Dude! David Lynch, as in from Twin Peaks?
                              Yup, I've always been a big Lynch fan. Awhile back he 'came out' and told people he's been meditating for like 30 years twice a day and never missed a session. Doesn't surprise me, one smart dude.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                                And all these old guys that I know with their brain fog and their cholesterol meds and their little tiny pieces of meat and low-fat diets and viagra and prozac. You are correct, Kimchi, these doctors should be shot.
                                LOL, which tiny pieces of meat are you referring to?

                                Yeah agree with everything in your post…the dots connect.

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