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    Taking omega-3 fish oil supplements may increase the risk of aggressive prostate cancer by 70% | Mail Online

    what do you think?

  • #2
    Utter tosh!

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    • #3
      I think eating rotten, oxidized oils is always a bad idea.
      Crohn's, doing SCD

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      • #4
        I don't know about cancer, but for someone who eats a serving or two of fatty fish once or twice a week, it's probably not necessary. I had a bad reaction (vomiting) to some anchovies a little over a month ago after starting to take fish oil supplements. I'll never know for sure if that batch was bad or if the supplements were over-kill, or what caused it. I do know that 10 days after stopping the supplements, I tasted anchovies again (purchased at the same time from the same seller and manufacturer), and they were just the delicious salty goodness I'd always known. I'm trying to figure out some kind of art to make with the supplements since I bought a large jar of them.
        "Right is right, even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong, even if everyone is doing it." - St. Augustine

        B*tch-lite

        Who says back fat is a bad thing? Maybe on a hairy guy at the beach, but not on a crab.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
          I don't know about cancer, but for someone who eats a serving or two of fatty fish once or twice a week, it's probably not necessary. I had a bad reaction (vomiting) to some anchovies a little over a month ago after starting to take fish oil supplements. I'll never know for sure if that batch was bad or if the supplements were over-kill, or what caused it. I do know that 10 days after stopping the supplements, I tasted anchovies again (purchased at the same time from the same seller and manufacturer), and they were just the delicious salty goodness I'd always known. I'm trying to figure out some kind of art to make with the supplements since I bought a large jar of them.
          Have you ever tasted the oil anchovies are packed in? It tastes totally gross, not at all like anchovy-flavored olive oil.

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          • #6
            I've been saying this for...the past year...

            They are horribly toxic drying oils. They are long-rancid highly oxidized trans fats before you consume them. You cannot separate the oil from the fish. They are an order of magnitude more prone to rancidity than soybean oil. Fish oil is worse for you than any vegetable oil on planet Earth because EPA and DHA oxidize far more rapidly than omega-6!!!!
            Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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            • #7
              Kinda fishy.... bwahahaha

              I mean this whole article is weak sauce really. It really is not reliable in making any determination for or against. Hell the researches don't even know if the subjects ate fish or fish oil tablets or whatever else! They are measuring blood levels. So many confounders that I wouldn't know where to start.


              You also got this out of the comments section:

              "If you look them up, you'll notice that they are a "non-profit" with an annual budget of $430M. They have also been accused of unethical research on cancer patients in the past. You'll also find this source of funding: "The Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center also receives funding through licensing and partnership agreements via pharmaceutical companies such as Actinium Pharmaceuticals, Inc. and GlaxoSmithKline directly and also indirectly through the center's membership at The National Comprehensive Cancer Network"

              So biased review of data in a relatively small population set. Coorelation without causation.... yada yada yady. Yeah, nothing to see here.

              Because I absolutely DESPISE how shitty a job the media does of reporting "science" here is a link to the actual study for those interested:

              http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/conte...jt174.abstract
              Last edited by Neckhammer; 07-11-2013, 07:07 AM.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
                I've been saying this for...the past year...

                They are horribly toxic drying oils. They are long-rancid highly oxidized trans fats before you consume them. You cannot separate the oil from the fish. They are an order of magnitude more prone to rancidity than soybean oil. Fish oil is worse for you than any vegetable oil on planet Earth because EPA and DHA oxidize far more rapidly than omega-6!!!!
                Yeah, I just bought a liquid vitamin D supplement, and chose the one in soybean oil over fish oil! Not ideal, but the lesser of two evils. Wish they did one in Vitamin E oil...
                "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

                In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

                - Ray Peat

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                  Yeah, I just bought a liquid vitamin D supplement, and chose the one in soybean oil over fish oil! Not ideal, but the lesser of two evils. Wish they did one in Vitamin E oil...
                  I get mine in virgin olive oil.

                  http://www.innatechoice.com/dsufficiency.cfm

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                  • #10
                    Here is just one of a million question I would like to ask the researchers....


                    Is it possible that a coorelation between high blood levels of O3 and prostate cancer are more a product of an individuals incapacity to properly process said O3 due to other various lifestyle and genetic factors or do you really think all of these people are eating this much fish and taking these many supplements? I actually would find the former (reduced capacity to properly process PUFA due to other lifestyle related injury) to be more likely. So these higher circulating O3 levels in these individuals are just a downstream effect of metabolic and liver disease that predisposes the person to cancer.

                    ^I'll admit thats all just me shooting from the hip. But, I think you do have to consider these high levels in several ways.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                      Here is just one of a million question I would like to ask the researchers....


                      Is it possible that a coorelation between high blood levels of O3 and prostate cancer are more a product of an individuals incapacity to properly process said O3 due to other various lifestyle and genetic factors or do you really think all of these people are eating this much fish and taking these many supplements? I actually would find the former (reduced capacity to properly process PUFA due to other lifestyle related injury) to be more likely. So these higher circulating O3 levels in these individuals are just a downstream effect of metabolic and liver disease that predisposes the person to cancer.

                      ^I'll admit thats all just me shooting from the hip. But, I think you do have to consider these high levels in several ways.
                      Neckhammer that was my question as well. Or, since a history of tests is not available, does that cancer cause the high levels?

                      But go gently on Hutch. The do great work, and they have to have financial relationships with drug companies because the way the market is structured it is the drug companies that develop the cancer drugs that make people with cancer not die. Another member of the Seattle Cancer Care Alliance was responsible for a silly cute viral video last year I think it was - Stronger | Seattle Childrens Hospital - YouTube

                      Disclosure: I have never had a financial relationship with Hutch, but I have been involved in projects that involved them.
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                      • #12
                        Yeah, I think it's important to consider all the possible confounding factors in this study, like the one NH pointed out.

                        I did get halfway through Peat's anti-omega-3 article, and he pointed out that most of it becomes oxidized before it hits your blood stream. Funny cuz it was something that I was concerned about in college. One of my college profs was very pro-omega-3, and I always wondered if it would oxidize at body temperature (in the stomach). Anyway, I'm kinda concerned about this, but, as of right now, I still supplement with omega-3s. I take a Jarrow formula DHA capsules AND fermented CLO/butter oil. My bf has a different brand that's a nice lemon flavor that I steal from time to time so if anyone is overkilling it with the omega-3, it would be me.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by YogaBare View Post
                          Yeah, I just bought a liquid vitamin D supplement, and chose the one in soybean oil over fish oil! Not ideal, but the lesser of two evils. Wish they did one in Vitamin E oil...
                          If I may make a recommendation:

                          Country Life Vitamin D3 -- 5000 IU - 200 Softgels - Vitacost

                          Other Ingredients: Medium chain triglycerides, [gelatin, glycerin, purified water (capsule shell)]

                          This is a fantastic supplement and it is packed in medium chain triglycerides. Also, the Vitamin D in the supplement is from lanolin. Many D supplements take their Vitamin D from cod liver oil, which is highly toxic and why you may find fish oil a carrier for many D supplements.. I will not take Vitamin D derived from fish.
                          Don't put your trust in anyone on this forum, including me. You are the key to your own success.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Neckhammer View Post
                            I get mine in virgin olive oil.

                            Innate Choice - The Essential Nutrient System
                            I like the EVOO carrier - will have to check out. Used to take this one, w/ sesame oil

                            Biotics Research Bio-D-Mulsion Vitamin D3 -- 1 fl oz - Vitacost

                            “you aren't what you eat - you are what you don't poop.” Wavy Gravy

                            Today I am Fillyjonk. Tommorow I will be Snufkin.

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                            • #15
                              Robb Wolf's take on this - Does Fish oil cause prostate Cancer?

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