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  • #91
    Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
    The fact that paleolithic humans were mentally capable of moralizing does not mean they ever saw killing and eating animals as a moral dilemma. That is a modernist concept. The eternal circle of existence would be more likely. Things exist to eat other things, or to be eaten.
    And my reading of the anthropological literature suggests that our ancestors were reverent to a significant degree about the source of their food.
    Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
    We are what we are. Reinvention of ourselves as something outside what is understood to be the natural order of things (or redefining the natural order of things) is a new concept.
    Well said. The very concept of "nature" would be entirely foreign to these people, since we define it as the "environment" or the "world out there." They just saw the world as "the world," the place they inhabited and took part in, not some concept of "the rest of the world" from which we were specifically excluded.

    And they took their place. They recognized that things had to die so they would live, and then things would live off them after they died. And it was sacred. If we saw the world this way, there wouldn't be factories and we wouldn't pump the earth dry of fossil fuels to fund corporate profits via commodifiable "totalitarian" agricultural practices.
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    • #92
      Originally posted by MouthDR View Post
      Who would eat fruit when they can eat meat?

      I reckon that the meat eaters would eventually slap the s*** out of the fruit eaters and take over the genome. And here we are
      Looking at it through the context of evolution, fruit was probably the only thing on Earth that tasted good. Meat is absolutely delicious...because we can rub it with salt and pepper, sear it in butter and rub it down in some garlic or chili powder or something. Meat with absolutely no seasoning at all is pretty darn boring. It at least needs some salt. Since ancient man didn't have access to any of these things, fruit was probably preferred. At least I'd rather eat mangoes than raw or steamed squirrel.
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      • #93
        Blood is salty. No wonder ketchup is so popular!

        Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
        Looking at it through the context of evolution, fruit was probably the only thing on Earth that tasted good. Meat is absolutely delicious...because we can rub it with salt and pepper, sear it in butter and rub it down in some garlic or chili powder or something. Meat with absolutely no seasoning at all is pretty darn boring. It at least needs some salt. Since ancient man didn't have access to any of these things, fruit was probably preferred. At least I'd rather eat mangoes than raw or steamed squirrel.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by ChocoTaco369 View Post
          Looking at it through the context of evolution, fruit was probably the only thing on Earth that tasted good. Meat is absolutely delicious...because we can rub it with salt and pepper, sear it in butter and rub it down in some garlic or chili powder or something. Meat with absolutely no seasoning at all is pretty darn boring. It at least needs some salt. Since ancient man didn't have access to any of these things, fruit was probably preferred. At least I'd rather eat mangoes than raw or steamed squirrel.
          ehhhh seared fat is pretty tasty all by itself..... eating was an act of survival so "flavor" wouldn't really be a consideration. Give a starving man a crap sandwich and they gobble it down. Pleasure was an option not the goal of eating that it is today.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by PrimalFish View Post
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            1-B-12. I only take this one supplement because I'm not eating that good organic dirt.
            So by your own admission the "plant based diet that provides all the essential nutrients we need to thrive" needs to be supplemented from non-plant sources. Therefore a plant based diet does not provide all the essential nutrients we need to thrive. QED.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by ssn679doc View Post
              ehhhh seared fat is pretty tasty all by itself..... eating was an act of survival so "flavor" wouldn't really be a consideration. Give a starving man a crap sandwich and they gobble it down. Pleasure was an option not the goal of eating that it is today.
              also, their tastebuds were far more sensitive than ours BECAUSE they didn't have spices at hand, i reckon

              i see much personal opinion tossed about factually when the fact is different people in different sections of the world ate different things back then. they had to learn through trial and error what was and was not poison.

              when times were tough, they ate each other. i feel as though i cannot stress this enough when someone comes along with star struck eyes about ancient, fruitarian man. they ate everything they could find. including each other.

              look at untouched jungles and savannahs, look at the behavior of the animals, look at what they eat and how they treat each other. ancient man was right in the middle of it all.
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              • #97
                Just so you know, yesterday I ate a whole fish and six eggs, for a total of seven (possible, unfertilized I know) animals dead. Today I'll eat at least 9 sardines. So 16 dead just in the past day and a half, all for you, PrimalFish.
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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                  Just so you know, yesterday I ate a whole fish and six eggs, for a total of seven (possible, unfertilized I know) animals dead. Today I'll eat at least 9 sardines. So 16 dead just in the past day and a half, all for you, PrimalFish.
                  lol... grok on

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                    Just so you know, yesterday I ate a whole fish and six eggs, for a total of seven (possible, unfertilized I know) animals dead. Today I'll eat at least 9 sardines. So 16 dead just in the past day and a half, all for you, PrimalFish.
                    Lol...12 eggs, Pork Loin (Frozen in May), Pork belly (bought yesterday) and some steak...

                    I make that potentially 2 pigs, a cow and 12 chickens that died (did not make it to life) so that I could eat yesterday...not to mention the poor coconut that provided the oil and the green leafy veg.

                    Another 12 eggs today possibly depending on my mood!

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                    • Originally posted by fuzzynavel View Post
                      Lol...12 eggs, Pork Loin (Frozen in May), Pork belly (bought yesterday) and some steak...

                      I make that potentially 2 pigs, a cow and 12 chickens that died (did not make it to life) so that I could eat yesterday...not to mention the poor coconut that provided the oil and the green leafy veg.

                      Another 12 eggs today possibly depending on my mood!
                      for the love of the gods.... not the innocent, defenseless green leafy veg! How cruel you are! lol

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                      • Originally posted by ssn679doc View Post
                        for the love of the gods.... not the innocent, defenseless green leafy veg! How cruel you are! lol
                        Well, Clarice, has the kale stopped screaming?
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                        • Originally posted by JoanieL View Post
                          Well, Clarice, has the kale stopped screaming?
                          it only stops after I cut it off the stalk.......

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                          • Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                            Just so you know, yesterday I ate a whole fish and six eggs, for a total of seven (possible, unfertilized I know) animals dead. Today I'll eat at least 9 sardines. So 16 dead just in the past day and a half, all for you, PrimalFish.
                            That's it, for the whole day, following primal? I'm a big guy and I've eaten more animals in my lifetime then you could probably eat in 3. I really don't care how many animals you eat. I can only be responsible for my own thoughts and level of awareness. Also, If I start falling apart and think eating animals is the answer I will eat them again, no problem. I posted to this forum to get an answer on a question about the origins of man. Where did man originate? Where did Grok live? I figured man originated in the tropics (or at least not some cold place) and where fruit could grow all year round. As man grew in numbers and spread the seeds of fruit around, the fruit grew even more and was ample. Somehow we moved away from the equator. How did that happen? When did that happen? I didn't want to post this on a vegan forum where people would jump over each other to applaud my thinking and agree with me. I want someone to get an answer on this.

                            Have you ever tried a vegan lifestyle to know it's unhealthy? There is just as much convincing information out there that veganism is healthy. There are plenty of people out there who are longtime vegans in great health. There are also plenty of people who went vegan and they sware that it destroyed their health. Also every vegan diet is different. Were these people eating enough calories? Too much fat? I don't know, and want to find out the truth for myself, so I'm trying it. I feel much better so far.

                            Originally posted by Liam View Post
                            So by your own admission the "plant based diet that provides all the essential nutrients we need to thrive" needs to be supplemented from non-plant sources. Therefore a plant based diet does not provide all the essential nutrients we need to thrive. QED.

                            I feel ok supplementing b-12 because we would have gotten this from eating bacteria in dirt, but since the dirt is not the same anymore and we don't eat it, we have to supplement. The b-12 I take is vegan.
                            Last edited by PrimalFish; 07-10-2013, 07:12 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by PrimalFish View Post
                              That's it, for the whole day, following primal? I'm a big guy and I've eaten more animals in my lifetime then you could probably eat in 3. I really don't care how any animals you eat. I'm can only be responsible for my own thoughts and level of awareness. Also, If I start falling apart and think eating animals is the answer I will eat them again, no problem. I posted to this forum to get an answer on a question about the origins of man. I figured man lived in the tropics and there was fruit. As man grew in numbers and spread the seeds of fruit around, the fruit grew even more. I didn't want to post this on a vegan forum where people would just jump over each other to applaud my thinking and agree with me. I want someone to show me how this logic is wrong.
                              Just because of this post, I'm eating a deep-fried koala bear.
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                              • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                                The fact that paleolithic humans were mentally capable of moralizing does not mean they ever saw killing and eating animals as a moral dilemma. That is a modernist concept.
                                The idea of consuming without any reverence for that which is consumed is pretty modern, too. Vegans want to think it is more moral to eat plants but what it really is is less guilt-ridden for them, more inline with modern ideas of consumption being unlimited and free of guilt, while what they consume is actually destroying entire ecosystems and killing more creatures incidentally or purposefully than were they to eat meat. But at least they don't have to think about it.
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