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  • #31
    Originally posted by Aldergirl View Post
    As others mentioned, it takes a long time to harvest and consume fruits, and a lot of calories are used up in that process. You end up eating all day, and not many people can live on one area, especially since not all plants are edible fruit plants. I spent an hour yesterday, for instance, picking maybe two cups of berries--a lot of effort for not much food. Granted, they were small berries, and things like apples are faster to pick. But, they were also at standing height and all ripe and all near each other. Large fruits are not always in season, you have to climb to get most of them, and even for the large fruits you're competing with all the other animals for them (for example, my mom has three filbert trees, they all make filberts, and we've never had a single filbert to eat because the squirrels eat them all before they are mature).

    One of the things that separates us from other primates is our ability to cook. You hunt and kill a large animal, cook it, and you can feed quite a few people for quite a few days, and you don't have to spend as much time chewing it because the cooking helps predigest it. That provided early humans the time to create societies, make weapons, and, well, be human.
    Thanks for this response.

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    • #32
      I eat lots of psuedograins and beans, so I haven't done a frutarian diet and I do get protein. I feel great, so I stand by a low-fat vegan diet (for me). I came hear with questions about what the fruit situation would have been like in primitive times. By more vascular, I mean more pumped then on low-carb...most people find that happens. Don't eat more animals just because I'm not eating any.
      Thanks for this response.
      Crohn's, doing SCD

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      • #33
        Originally posted by ssn679doc View Post
        Fruit is seasonal.... it grows well in spring and summer. What fruits and veggies grow well in winter in NY?
        you know good and well that fruit grows abundantly, everywhere, in all seasons. man is just too barbaric to eat it because we're so under evolved that we like making baby lambs cry.

        but seriously, folks. seriously. unless you were born near the equator, there were seasons to contend with. all the fruit you see everywhere all the time is due to shipping containers and factory green houses and planes
        Last edited by bloodorchid; 07-09-2013, 01:48 AM.
        beautiful
        yeah you are

        Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
          you know good and well that fruit grows abundantly, everywhere, in all seasons. man is just too barbaric to eat it because we're so under evolved that we like making baby lambs cry.

          but seriously, folks. seriously. unless you were born near the equator, there were seasons to contend with. all the fruit you see everywhere all the time is due to shipping containers and factory green houses and planes
          How silly of me to have forgotten how abundantly my grape and raspberry bushes bare(?) fruit in January....

          Oh, and if you knock the little lambie out first, they don't cry when you slaughter them..... not even a little bo peep

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          • #35
            Originally posted by bloodorchid View Post
            you know good and well that fruit grows abundantly, everywhere, in all seasons. man is just too barbaric to eat it because we're so under evolved that we like making baby lambs cry.

            but seriously, folks. seriously. unless you were born near the equator, there were seasons to contend with. all the fruit you see everywhere all the time is due to shipping containers and factory green houses and planes
            Originally posted by ssn679doc View Post
            How silly of me to have forgotten how abundantly my grape and raspberry bushes bare(?) fruit in January....

            Oh, and if you knock the little lambie out first, they don't cry when you slaughter them..... not even a little bo peep

            Dr. Hannibal Lecter: Well, Clarice, have the lambs stopped screaming?
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            • #36
              thp thp thp thp thp
              beautiful
              yeah you are

              Baby if you time travel back far enough you can avoid that work because the dust won't be there. You're too pretty to be working that hard.
              lol

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              • #37
                I still suspect the OP is a troll, but I'll put a serious answer out there just in case anybody stumbles across this thread who's genuinely interested in the answer to the original question.

                If you're going to insist on denying your humanity (we're omnivores with huge brains and tiny stomachs and a digestive system designed for animal flesh), at least try to do it in an intelligent way. You're not avoiding animal suffering, just denying that living things (even apples and bananas) require death to exist. First, read this, then read this. I hope you can avoid ruining your health, but I truly doubt it.
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                • #38
                  Apes that eat mostly plants are hairy...we aren't. The reason for this is so that we sweat efficiently when running down large animals and thus keep ourselves cool whilst they overheat and exhaust themselves. For all those who thrive eating fruit and vegetables well done, I personally find a day without meat makes me want to eat meat and a day without veg/fruit makes me crave greens and fruit. My cat eats grass not for nutrition but because something in it's brain chemistry yells at it to do so. Like Richmahogany says, our systems evolved based upon running a fuel hungry brain, you don't need that to outwit a mango.
                  Man seeks to change the foods available in nature to suit his tastes, thereby putting an end to the very essence of life contained in them.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by PrimalFish View Post
                    This is not true. Of course there are people smarter then you that follow a vegan diet.....
                    No there aren't.
                    Last edited by Neckhammer; 07-09-2013, 08:09 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by PrimalFish View Post
                      This is what I'm looking for. The higher consciousness "crap" comes with me trying to figure out if humans were meant to eat animals or if we just got it wrong.
                      Or maybe YOU got it wrong? There is no pre-designed plan for what humans are supposed or meant to eat! Humans became humans mainly by eating cooked meat and getting more easy assimilated animal protein in their diets! Bigger brains and smaller intestines is a result of this evolution compared to other primates...
                      "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                      - Schopenhauer

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                      • #41
                        Life is death. We all take turns. It's sacred to eat during our turn and be eaten when our turn is over. RichMahogany.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by PrimalFish View Post
                          I have read allot of primal articles that say it would be ridiculous to consider primal man ate allot of carbs. But it seems to me that primal man would have eaten mostly fruit (also some nuts/seeds, leafy greens, and yes meat,fish). I was hoping someone could show me the flaw in my following logic: Primal man would be in some warm place (where humans are meant to be) where there are lots of fruit trees and he'd eat lots of fruit because it is easy to get to and available in abundance. It's nicely packaged, satisfies his taste buds, doesn't need to be cooked, prepared or seasoned. Then he'd take a crap and disperse the seeds and more fruit trees would grow. It seems to me like fruit is the only thing that wants to be eaten and we have a symbiotic relationship with it. I know primal man also ate meat, but could this not be considered human error? Like moving to cold climates? Money? War? Slavery? My point is, us humans have not always gotten it right (but in some instances there have been a few who have realized the error and fought to make great change). Maybe we're supposed to use our unique higher consciousness as humans to evolve and see that we do not need to kill animals and burden our planet in order to be healthy. If one eats adequate calories in fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds there is no need to eat meat. We do not need all that protein. I use to stand behind the logic that there are essential fatty acids and essential amino acids, but no essential carbs. But this is because the human body is so resilient that it will make glucose from protein if you don't give it enough sugar. Why not just give it (natural) sugar? It will produce ketones to fuel the brain if you follow a very high fat/super low carb diet in order to not die. Why not just give it the natural sugar it needs to function? Fruit seems to be the perfect human food and a plant based diet can provide us with all the essential nutrients we need to thrive, so why not let the animals live their lives?
                          because Eve foisted Original Sin onto mankind and after the flood God told us to eat Animals and in return he made them afraid of us.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Mr. Anthony View Post
                            Holy balls, is this really happening? Or am I hallucinating from too little sleep?

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Sweet Leilani View Post
                              Sorry dude, I meant 'crap' as in it's a crap thing to use for justification, not that consciousness itself is crap

                              I understand what you're saying.. You're asking a bigger question about life and the universe, and how eating animals fits into it. Well there is very little truth that's universal, we each must find our own. The only way to find your own is to look within. And if that means for you that you feel more connected to all-that-is by not eating animals, then that's the right path for you. But being connected to all-that-is also means allowing others to follow their own path and not judge or condemn.

                              You be as you be, and let others be as they be
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Knifegill View Post
                                Translation:
                                I think you are all making stupid choices, and my vegan friends told me I get to go to cute fuzzy animal heaven if I follow their dogma. I've come back to this forum to help save you retards from all the meat you're eating. Not only that, but I've actually bought into the idea that we can live on magic, without protein, and still avoid brain shrinkage. I'm going to pretend that eating animals is a burden to our planet to justify my false religion. I'm also going to ignore all the dead vegan babies and 40-year-old vegans who look like 80-year-olds. I'm better than you because I have bought into a pile of stupid lies, and I'm here to act like I know something, when I'm actually just embarking on a confusing new malnutrition campaign.

                                You know who else has good vascularity? That Harley Durianrider monkey whose eyes are clearly receding into his head as his brain deflates. Go compare photos. His neural tissue is actually shrinking. Just because you are starving enough to see your veins doesn't mean you are healthy. Ethiopian kids also have great vascularity.







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