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  • #16
    Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
    There's something to be said about not making the same mistake over again, but if you follow someone's dietary recommendations to the letter and wind up with a medical issue, it isn't your fault. Flip the coin, if this post were about the McDougall diet, everyone here would blame the diet.

    Cult-y.
    The problem is that Mark doesn't recommend going extremely low carb. The issues were a result of OP taking Mark's ideas and skewing them to fit his own desires (wherever they came from).

    I would agree with you if Mark actually recommended a very low carb diet, but he doesn't, so what you're saying here is invalid.
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    • #17
      He sais that we could go entirely without carbs if we wanted to. He stated this very firmly multiple This is a dangerous and irresponsible claim no matter what.

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      • #18
        why did you not ask for advice during the 1st episode, or the 2nd, or the 3rd?
        many people could have advised you sensibly.
        do you have a lot of weight to lose?
        Last edited by CarbDodger; 07-07-2013, 09:56 AM.
        When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
        27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
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        • #19
          Define a very low carb diet. I'm sure you're aware a big ass salad and loads of fibrous non-starchy vegetables still don't add up to a reasonable level of usable glucose. In fact, pretty much the entire premise of the Primal Blueprint is keeping insulin low so you can become a fat burner. And how do you do that? And there are plenty of primal dieters who eat VLC and mostly meat and don't have this issue. Is it only considered skewing his ideas if there's a negative outcome?

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          • #20
            Originally posted by abel View Post
            He sais that we could go entirely without carbs if we wanted to. He stated this very firmly multiple This is a dangerous and irresponsible claim no matter what.
            And people can eat peanuts if they want to. But if someone says "hey, have some peanuts" and you eat them even though you've had anaphylaxis before and you die... Well, it is not the fault of the person who offered the peanuts.

            Someone was extraordinarily irresponsible here... But that someone is named Abel, not Mark.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by abel View Post
              He sais that we could go entirely without carbs if we wanted to. He stated this very firmly multiple This is a dangerous and irresponsible claim no matter what.
              Of course we can, because the body can derive its glucose needs from other sources. Does this mean you should eat zero carbs? No.

              The claim that he made was true, but that doesn't mean it should be applied in every situation. I'm all for blaming the flawed ideologies of certain diets, but this is your fault. Have the common sense to do the research yourself and not jump at any opportunity to follow your distorted interpretations of what someone is recommending.
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              • #22
                What did you eat exactly??
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by abel View Post
                  However: I first tried to go very very low carb about 7 months ago. I based my strategy on the primal carb curve, and on the fact that Mark stated many times that we could even go zero carb.

                  I got constipated right on the first day, when I consumed about 25-30 grams of carbs. (...) It sure still works for some people, but Dear Mark, I literally almost died because blindly taking your advice.
                  Yep, that's what happens when taking an advice too “blindly”! I have not seen Mark advice people to eat 25 - 30 gram of carbs, or below, though...
                  "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."

                  - Schopenhauer

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by abel View Post
                    So first of all, desite of this horrible thread title, I love what Mark does, I read the site every day, and am primal.

                    However: I first tried to go very very low carb about 7 months ago. I based my strategy on the primal carb curve, and on the fact that Mark stated many times that we could even go zero carb.

                    I got constipated right on the first day, when I consumed about 25-30 grams of carbs. I didn't want to think that there was a problem with the low carb approach, so I waited. I didn't poop the second, third, fourth day, so I started to be worried. (I ate meat, eggs, tried to eat enough fat with the protein of course)
                    I gave up after a week when I felt really awful, and ate lots of berries and fruits to get things moving.

                    Long story short: I gave it two more tries, both after reading about how low carb is good, and watching a lecture where Mark said that we have absolutely no requirements for carbs and we could go in our entire lives without having any carbs.

                    My constipation turned into fecal impaction, I didn't poop for weeks at times, and got to the point where almost nothing helped, not even consuming a lot of veggies, salty water and fiber supplement. My condition went almost life threatening, and it was def. triggered by my low carb attempts.

                    While I agree that refined carbs are NEVER required, saying that we have no requirement for carbs I think is an unbelievably irresponsible and dangerous claim.

                    I believe that an eskimo type of diet with wild seal fat and caribu meat is healthy, I don't think we can fully implement that strategy into our lives with our meat and fat sources.
                    It might be because our fats and meats we get in the grociery store are lacking a lot of nutrients and even some amino acids.

                    It sure still works for some people, but Dear Mark, I literally almost died because blindly taking your advice.

                    I think that this is an excellent post, and should serve as a warning to those of us who think that one approach is right for everyone.
                    If something doesn't feel right, then don't go on with it while having the mindset that so-and-so diet guru says that it's the right thing to do.
                    if it doesn't feel right for you, then it isn't right for you.
                    Simple.
                    Don't be swayed by the so-called "experts" on the Mark's daily apple forum, or any other forum, for that matter.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by loafingcactus View Post
                      And people can eat peanuts if they want to. But if someone says "hey, have some peanuts" and you eat them even though you've had anaphylaxis before and you die... Well, it is not the fault of the person who offered the peanuts.

                      Someone was extraordinarily irresponsible here... But that someone is named Abel, not Mark.

                      If I shared the whole story very detailed with you, you'd understand why I went back two more times...
                      There were still possibility that it was not the lack of carbs that caused the problem but other things like infected gut, or just not enough fat...
                      As horrible as it may sound, it actually took 3 tries to be absolutely certain that it was the lack of carbs that caused the problem.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by counterpuncher View Post
                        I think that this is an excellent post, and should serve as a warning to those of us who think that one approach is right for everyone.
                        If something doesn't feel right, then don't go on with it while having the mindset that so-and-so diet guru says that it's the right thing to do.
                        if it doesn't feel right for you, then it isn't right for you.
                        Simple.
                        Don't be swayed by the so-called "experts" on the Mark's daily apple forum, or any other forum, for that matter.
                        No, the moral here is to not skew other's recommendations, and then blame them for your own mistakes.
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                        • #27
                          Which I don't do. You can't stop moaning about what I did when you don't even know the whole story. The truth is, that even if I quitted at the first bad experience, would not change the fact that Mark is claiming things that are dangerous and irrespnsible.

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                          • #28
                            I tried Atkins about ten years ago and got terribly constipated. I stopped Atkins. I tried a recipe here in the forums using almond flour to make pizza dough. I got terribly constipated. I didn't make the recipe again. I think you can see where I'm going with this.

                            What's the pop culture definition of insanity again?

                            We're all different and it's impossible to know ahead of time how a WOE is going to affect your systems. There are forum members who say they do eat zero carbs, but when pressed here in the forums, most admit they eat veggies and fruits "for garnish" or "as condiments". If you like this WOE and want to remain primal, do it by shopping the list of foods here. Notice the fruits and vegetables. Buy some and eat them!

                            Don't blindly follow anyone's advice without applying your own experiences and logic! Glad you're feeling better and wondering how you rectified ( p u n ) your situation
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by little vase View Post

                              We're all different and it's impossible to know ahead of time how a WOE is going to affect your systems.
                              I totally agree with this part. From this logic, is it a responsible thing to say that "You guys could go your entire life without any carbs! There is just no requirement for it!" ?

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by abel View Post
                                He sais that we could go entirely without carbs if we wanted to. He stated this very firmly multiple This is a dangerous and irresponsible claim no matter what.
                                Lots of people do go entirely without carbs because they want to. And they seem to be doing just fine. Did you even consider asking their advice before taking a diet that was (according to conventional wisdom) way out there, and then totally going off the cliff as far as nutrition was concerned?

                                I have seen repeatedly on this forum where a guy will post saying that he latched onto that idea, and decided to make it his way of life. Then he blames Mark. No. Food obsession like that is an eating disorder that you gave to yourself. Your obsession with extreme dietary manipulation and control is a problem you need to take ownership of before you can help yourself.

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