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  • First of all thanks SO much for the lot of comments.

    I completely agree that going extra low carb is something to approach with a lot more caution which I missed back than.

    Simply because it makes so much sense and is so logical from an evolutionary perspective, that it really seemed like the way to go. Our bodies are designed to eat primarily fatty animals, so why would anybody get sick by sticking to that?

    For those of you who say it might even be possible that it was NOT the low carb thing: I kind of agree. I moved to the Netherlands last year, and I started having other problems too, like brain fog, which I also never had before.
    However, the times when I started to have digestion problems have always correlated with my low carb attempts.

    When I mean going back to "normal" I meant eating more veggies like carrots, some tomatoes here and than, making salads with cucumber and stuff, eating some fruit here and than.. Something is definitely screwed up by now because I feel that I have to stuff some unnatural amount of veggies in order to get things moving. (and even than it is not always too smooth)

    you see: that's why I got back three times on it: because if it was because of the lack of fiber, well, there is enough fiber in broccoli, even bought a fiber supplement from Now Foods. In the end, I was consuming a lot more fiber on my 30 grams of carbs diet than somebody with a lot more carbs.


    About the title: yeah, I also agree that it was not a particularly good idea.

    for those who might be curious of the supplementation changes that I made to correct the problems when I was on this very low carb thing.

    1. More fat - to get the ratios right
    2. MCT oil - "promised" to get things right.
    3. L-Glutamine - said to heel the gut
    4. More Magnesium, vitamin C, selenium, even copper
    5. More salt - water retention
    6. Fiber -all doctors can talk about is not enough fiber. There you go...
    7. More water - for obvious reasons
    8. Moving more - not that I had problems with that
    9. praying
    10. Things like omega 3-s and stuff are "obvious".

    I did not give up btw my quest for health, I still want to be as healthy as possible and trying to make my family as healthy as possible.
    Last edited by abel; 07-09-2013, 03:38 AM.

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    • Originally posted by abel View Post
      you see: that's why I got back three times on it: because if it was because of the lack of fiber, well, there is enough fiber in broccoli, even bought a fiber supplement from Now Foods. In the end, I was consuming a lot more fiber on my 30 grams of carbs diet than somebody with a lot more carbs.
      Man, you should have said that in your first post!

      Those fiber bombs (pills) can plug you up in no time. In fact, I think I saw a study published recently (maybe mentioned in the MDA blog?) about how low fiber diet can improve constipation.

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      • Originally posted by Timthetaco View Post
        ......., not to mention 0 - 50 grams of carbohydrates falls in the "effortless weight loss" zone of the carbohydrate curve.......
        No, the "effortless weight loss" zone of the carbohydrate curve that I have seen is 50 to 100g
        0 to 50 is aggressive weight loss.


        Carb curve

        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/how-t...mal-blueprint/
        http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-p...ate-continuum/

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        0-50 grams/day – Ketosis and Accelerated Fat Burning

        Acceptable for a day or two of Intermittent Fasting towards aggressive weight loss efforts, provided adequate protein, fat and supplements are consumed otherwise. May be ideal for many diabetics. Not necessarily recommended as a long-term practice for otherwise healthy people due to resultant deprivation of high nutrient value vegetables and fruits.
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        50-100 grams/day – Primal Sweet Spot for Effortless Weight Loss

        Minimizes insulin production and ramps up fat metabolism. By meeting average daily protein requirements (.7 – 1 gram per pound of lean bodyweight formula), eating nutritious vegetables and fruits (easy to stay in 50-100 gram range, even with generous servings), and staying satisfied with delicious high fat foods (meat, fish, eggs, nuts, seeds), you can lose one to two pounds of body fat per week and then keep it off forever by eating in the maintenance range.

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        100-150 grams/day – Primal Blueprint Maintenance Range

        This range based on body weight and activity level. When combined with Primal exercises, allows for genetically optimal fat burning and muscle development. Range derived from Grok’s (ancestors’) example of enjoying abundant vegetables and fruits and avoiding grains and sugars.

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        • Originally posted by abel View Post
          There is no requirement for carbs and we don't have to eat it, but it doesn't mean zero carbs?
          Please provide the link/s where this is stated to the context can be checked.

          Did Mark write the article, or was it a interview done by someone else and written by them?

          If mark wrote it, I'm guessing the next line or paragraph is going to say something like PB is about eating heaps of veg etc and will give health reasons my one should eat veg and avoid VLC.

          If some one else wrote it they could have quoted the zero carb line but omitted the following 5 min talk on why is not advised to do so.

          An example, a health expert could say : "there us no requirement for humans to go outside" ( someone could live inside their entire lives and never venture outside as long as food etc is provided - they won't die unless there is a disaster like a house fire and they don't escape to outside) - Technically he is right and is just making a point. The same health expert could then go on to say there many health and social benefits to going outside regularly and it is highly recommended to do so.

          "there us no requirement for humans to go outside" does not mean don't ever go outside - even if there's a fire inside.

          What did mark say in full context?

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          • Abel,

            I have read your harrowing situation. I am an attorney, and I would be happy to represent you and your case. Clearly you have suffered physical and mental anguish due to the advice that you followed exactly to the recommendations provided. Please contact me at 800-Get-Cash. I will fight for you and get you the money you deserve. I represent an entire group of constipated Primal goers in a class action lawsuit. Some have literally had breach poops which required digital removal. Remember, this is not your fault. You are a victim and you must be compensated for your pain and suffering. Call now, operators are standing by....

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            • Originally posted by mike View Post
              Man, you should have said that in your first post!

              Those fiber bombs (pills) can plug you up in no time. In fact, I think I saw a study published recently (maybe mentioned in the MDA blog?) about how low fiber diet can improve constipation.
              I used to love bran muffins but they would give me the WORST constipation you would not believe. Too much fiber is not good. It's like caffeine. A cup or two makes me pretty regular but overdosing on it will plug me up so bad.
              Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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              • It is not a dangerous claim. High carb intake, and even Zone level carb intakes that allows grains are dangerous claims. I have read that when drastically changing a diet your body will suffer symptoms like constipation and acne, all which reside in time. I also think you might have been better off if you had eaten under cooked organic grass fed meats, which are high in enzymes and are more easily digested. You are at risk of parasites, which is why you have to know what your doing if you want to eat raw meat. Anyway, for advocating a lower carb diet, Mark Sisson will help save countess people from obesity, acne, diabetes, depression and other insulin related illnesses, and therefore he is a LIFE SAVER.

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                • Originally posted by Owen View Post
                  Thanks - I tried! Simply eating whole foods - exactly - it's all we need to do unless there are very specific goals and we are able to tolerate VLC. Some of Peter Attia's stuff on this subject is very informative. He is someone who does low carb, but crucially he explains how and why.
                  I will share my story. I eat VLC only because I am ultra insulin resistant and get horrible carb crashes, even by fruit. I have been tested for thyroid, for diabetes, for iron and b12, and nothing reveals why I get so tired. When I eat VLC, I have energy and life again. My husband yesterday said "be careful what you eat, I still need you to go pick up [our daughter] and don't need you having a crash." It is that obvious how delicate I am to carbs. Thankfully my husband supports my diet, and he is likewise very low carb. Neither of us suffer from it, but only suffer when eating too many carbs (myself the worst).

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                  • I like this thread. I think I'll give up my chocolate and limit berries (basically my only sources of sugar) for a month - just because it's so awesome! Even with a few sips of kombucha with dinner, I'll easily be under 50g every day. Easy peasy! Steak-ish and eggs!
                    Crohn's, doing SCD

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                    • Originally posted by abel View Post
                      I completely agree that going extra low carb is something to approach with a lot more caution which I missed back than.

                      Simply because it makes so much sense and is so logical from an evolutionary perspective, that it really seemed like the way to go. Our bodies are designed to eat primarily fatty animals, so why would anybody get sick by sticking to that?
                      I don't know if anyone has brought up the obvious yet as I don't have time to read every post right now; but one week is not enough time to adjust. And trying it three times, each time for a week doesn't work either.

                      Say you were eating 400g carbs your whole life. Switching to 40g overnight is going to be a huge change and could require months to adapt.

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                      • Originally posted by Ariana30 View Post
                        I will share my story. I eat VLC only because I am ultra insulin resistant and get horrible carb crashes, even by fruit. I have been tested for thyroid, for diabetes, for iron and b12, and nothing reveals why I get so tired. When I eat VLC, I have energy and life again. My husband yesterday said "be careful what you eat, I still need you to go pick up [our daughter] and don't need you having a crash." It is that obvious how delicate I am to carbs. Thankfully my husband supports my diet, and he is likewise very low carb. Neither of us suffer from it, but only suffer when eating too many carbs (myself the worst).
                        This is an old thread, and I don't really desire to spark it up again, but I will say that I would be careful about how you make your recommendations. In your post before this one, you advocated all of the benefits of low carb diets, and then said you only eat VLC because you're insulin resistant and very sensitive to carbohydrate.

                        The reality is that your reactions are yours, don't make general recommendations based on your personal anecdotes, because your situation doesn't apply to everyone. Not everyone does well on low carb diets, and the benefits you listed of going low carb don't apply to everyone.

                        I would just suggest that you be careful with your recommendations and understand that your situation may not apply to everyone else.
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                        • Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                          This is an old thread...
                          The thread was started a few weeks ago. It is still topical. "Old threads" from several years past get brought back to life all the time.

                          Everyone's opinion matters. When someone who eats VLC by necessity describes their experiences, they are cautioned that no one should recommend it for anyone because it is not right for everyone. Yet people who recommend high carb intake reject such caution when making broad recommendations.

                          Opinions are just opinions. We're all anonymous strangers on the internet here. No one has more credibility than anyone else.

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                          • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                            The thread was started a few weeks ago. It is still topical. "Old threads" from several years past get brought back to life all the time.
                            Ok, sorry we have a different definition of an old thread. Who cares.

                            Everyone's opinion matters. When someone who eats VLC by necessity describes their experiences, they are cautioned that no one should recommend it for anyone because it is not right for everyone. Yet people who recommend high carb intake reject such caution when making broad recommendations.
                            Yes, opinions and personal experiences matter. However, when they are used to apply concepts to a general population, they can hurt rather than help.

                            When you say "people", who are you referring to? Diet is individual, and people react differently to different approaches. If you're referring to me when you say "people", I always say it depends on personal preference, genetics, insulin sensitivity, etc. So be specific when you say "people".

                            Opinions are just opinions. We're all anonymous strangers on the internet here. No one has more credibility than anyone else.
                            I agree, and I never said anything that disputes that.
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                            • Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                              The thread was started a few weeks ago. It is still topical. "Old threads" from several years past get brought back to life all the time.

                              Everyone's opinion matters. When someone who eats VLC by necessity describes their experiences, they are cautioned that no one should recommend it for anyone because it is not right for everyone. Yet people who recommend high carb intake reject such caution when making broad recommendations.

                              Opinions are just opinions. We're all anonymous strangers on the internet here. No one has more credibility than anyone else.
                              Well said! Opinion police, and experience-sharing police risk shutting down openness and honesty where ever they dwell, or infect.
                              Last edited by Ariana30; 07-31-2013, 11:49 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
                                It's like caffeine. A cup or two makes me pretty regular but overdosing on it will plug me up so bad.
                                "The dose makes the poison" is true for most of us I think, and what one person thrives on, or can tolerate, will screw up another person so bad they end up needing medical help.

                                This is probably why so many people crave the illusory safety of CW?

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