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  • #16
    Pabs, i also was low carb for about half a year, but also a long distance runner for a long time too. At one point I went on a semi starvation diet for a few months as well. This all happened about three years ago . Since stopping competitive running two months ago I have been reading matt stone and eating and overeating to raise my metabolism. I have gained some fat but my energy and body temperature went up as well. I am also training for strength now.

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    • #17
      I'm a PHD fanboy partly for this reason. It's enough of a major departure from SAD to produce results but keeps its roots in real cuisine and a general "don't be weird" guideline.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Zach View Post
        Because no one in the paleosphere pushes moderate carb cycling, moderate carbs, etc. Until Nov of last year, this place was ketonazi patrolled and controlled. All the biggest names in paleo up until 1-2 years ago at best have been strict about low carb and "primal approved carbs" potatoes and rice being the devil.

        Sure, things have lightened up this last year so its much easier to blame the individual. Most though found Paleo a few years back when low carb was still in full swing, they fell in love and couldnt let go of their dietary dogma. Either that or they didnt get the memo.
        Time to man up and take responsibility. Nobody pointed a gun at your head and forced you to create and eat a diet far more extreme than Atkins induction. This persecution complex is unconvincing. The finger-pointing is just stupid.

        At least women working to recover from eating disorders accept that they played a role in their issues. They don't blame imaginary boogeymen.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
          Time to man up and take responsibility. Nobody pointed a gun at your head and forced you to create and eat a diet far more extreme than Atkins induction. This persecution complex is unconvincing. The finger-pointing is just stupid.

          At least women working to recover from eating disorders accept that they played a role in their issues. They don't blame imaginary boogeymen.
          Yea, imaginary. If i cared to take the time i could find hundreds of articles written by many prominant bloggers full of false and misleading information completely designed to pray on the fears of sick and overweight people searching for the answer to their hell. Also most the bloggers were/are completely incompetent to give out diet advice in the first place and aome even fell for their own bullshit advice.

          And thats exactly what happens, people are thoroughly convinced that they have found the answer, all the "science" makes sense and because of some immediate positive feedback (usually water weight loss and energy from stress hormones), they now have proof that they indeed found the answer. So of course they want to take it further and feel better, so they read more and try more advice from their chosen messiah(s). Pretty soon they are completely destroyed physically, hormonally and metally and they have no clue how it happend. Then they look for advice and get geniuses who tell them to eat more fat or try a water fast.

          Its happened hundreds if not thousands of times on these forums alone, im sure you have been responsible for a portion of that great advice.
          Last edited by Zach; 06-29-2013, 08:29 PM.

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          • #20
            Let's just be realistic here: there are a portion of Paleo followers/"experts" that are extremely restrictive and dogmatic in their approach (not saying anyone in specific, but it's clear). So, while there needs to be personal accountability, as with anything, some of the blame needs to go towards the dogmatic and overly restrictive approaches of some of the Paleo advocates. It is what it is.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
              Let's just be realistic here: there are a portion of Paleo followers/"experts" that are extremely restrictive and dogmatic in their approach (not saying anyone in specific, but it's clear). So, while there needs to be personal accountability, as with anything, some of the blame needs to go towards the dogmatic and overly restrictive approaches of some of the Paleo advocates. It is what it is.
              Kinda like how Jimmy Moore is probably putting people in the hospital with his dietary reccomendations. Naivety on his followers part or borderline criminal negligence of a dietary wackjob?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Zach View Post
                Kinda like how Jimmy Moore is probably putting people in the hospital with his dietary reccomendations. Naivety on his followers part or borderline criminal negligence of a dietary wackjob?
                Lol good ol' Jimmy. The guy is a freakin' nut.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by pabs View Post
                  Now I'm sure many of you folk are or have been on similar trajectories to that of mine. I would like to hear your stories, where they've led you and how they've changed you.
                  I like to use this chance to thank ChocoTaco369.
                  Without his posts I would have started a thread exactly like yours.
                  Everything is bad for something - How do you feel today?

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                  • #24
                    Same here, I would also like to thank ChocoTaco369 and Derpamix. Opened my eyes to carbs when VLC wasn't working out for me

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by picklepete View Post
                      I'm a PHD fanboy partly for this reason. It's enough of a major departure from SAD to produce results but keeps its roots in real cuisine and a general "don't be weird" guideline.
                      Thanks for the link. The paleo variant I'm following / intending to follow is almost exactly PHD

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                      • #26
                        Oh, the good old "Primal is not lowcarb" argument.

                        When I read the Primal Blueprint, there was no mention of safe starches.. rice, potatoes, etc were still considered evil. You had a free pass on nuts, and basically the only fruit you were adivsed to eat were berries and other low-sugar ones... how that does not qualify as low-carb for some, is beyond me.

                        There has been some improvement from 2010 till now. Some carbs will not kill you right away, so we'll just call them "safe"...but you see, once you have demonized carbs and created enough fear, it is very easy for people to drop them alltogether and go very low carb.

                        EDIT: the fact that there's still a lot of confusion going on with "fructose" does not help either
                        Last edited by sauerKraut; 06-30-2013, 02:12 AM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by eKatherine View Post
                          Time to man up and take responsibility. Nobody pointed a gun at your head and forced you to create and eat a diet far more extreme than Atkins induction. This persecution complex is unconvincing. The finger-pointing is just stupid.

                          At least women working to recover from eating disorders accept that they played a role in their issues. They don't blame imaginary boogeymen.
                          It's the same story for America, the world most obese population. The context of their eating habits isn't from a few local McDonals, but an virus of junk food that is too easy for people to ignore. Sure people choose what to eat, but do you think it's instinctive to restrict your food intake when there such an abundance? Lets face it, how many real-world people actually face upto their health problems and take responsibility? Numbers of diet related deaths are on the rise, not fall, so the statement about women working to recover is a tiny amount. (But good for those who actually realise that they can change!)

                          Hit every paleo blog (or book) and you'll never see anyone saying to eat more than 150g carbs. Oh I'm sorry, unless you are working out 2 hours every single day, in which case a sweet potato every now and then is great! ("Safe" starch to put more fear into everyone, by the way, like a pound carrots are going to kill you)

                          EVERYONE in the paleoshphere blames carbs for the majority of health issues. I know because I've had a lot of health issues and when personally writing to Paleo bloggers, they've told me to go VLC to "fight the baddies" and clear up my issues. You can't be so naive to not realise that Paleo IS low carb or restricting food, not more. (for whatever reasons, right or wrong. It's a fact like Weight watchers is always going to sell you junk food and market it as "healthy".)

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                          • #28
                            Howdy pabs

                            A lot of people will tell you you didn't "PALEO HARD ENOUGH". But that's BS and a way for folks to maintain some sick superiority complex.

                            Good on you for dropping an eating system that no longer worked. I'm a big Matt Stone fan and his advise has helped me tremendously.
                            A Post-Primal PrimalPat

                            Do not allow yourself to become wrapped up in a food 'lifestyle'. That is ego, and you are not that.

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                            • #29
                              This thread makes me happy.

                              Btw Matt Stone helped me out big time when i was at my worst. Im glad that hes getting more recognition from the primal world.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Zach View Post
                                This thread makes me happy.

                                Btw Matt Stone helped me out big time when i was at my worst. Im glad that hes getting more recognition from the primal world.
                                I must be living under a rock, but I've never heard of him?! Will definitely look into his stuff now that I see the positive recommendations.
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