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    Say now I eat zero carbs, thus insulin secretion at bare minimum, what would happen if I eat four times my total fat intake, i.e. increase it to 600g and keep protein at a pound per body weight?

    Would the fat that i don't use as energy get stored in the adipose tissue, similar to what happens with unused sugar?

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    Excess calories get stored, period. Fat can be stored in the complete absence of insulin.
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    • #3
      You would put on weight. How much... why don't you try it and let us know how it works out for you? There's a guy not long ago who did a 5000 calories a day for 30 days thing on youtube. He was kind of a leangainer. If you find it easy to put on weight, you might end up converting all the excess calories to body fat.

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      • #4
        Depends on your metabolism. Peter Attia, over at the eating Academy blog estimates that 1/3 of his patients gain, 1/3 stay the same and 1/3 lose on a high fat, ketotic, hyper caloric diet.
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        • #5
          This is the guy eKatherine mentions Sam Feltham: Why I Didn't Get Fat From Eating 5,794 Calories a Day

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          • #6
            Originally posted by upupandaway View Post
            Seems to be an exception rather than the rule. We have known that there are people like him, those that can eat as much as they want, and not get fat. The reasons are not fully understood, but it probably has a lot to do with metabolism, a low set point, etc. etc.

            Put the average person on this diet and they will fail miserably. I find that it's a bit ridiculous that he makes the claim that calories don't count just because of his little experiment (there are others who have made the same claims, Dave Asprey comes to mind, but don't even get me started on some of his stuff).

            So, yeah, there are people who are simply resistant to fat gain no matter what they eat. I wouldn't use this as a reference point for the average person, however.
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            • #7
              There was another guy doing a similar experiment on youtube not long before Sam Feltham started his. That guy quit after putting on a pound a day.

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              • #8
                eKatherine, I'm fairly sure if I tried it, that would be me!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by upupandaway View Post
                  eKatherine, I'm fairly sure if I tried it, that would be me!
                  Me, too. I'm glad somebody else was willing to take one for the team.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                    Seems to be an exception rather than the rule. We have known that there are people like him, those that can eat as much as they want, and not get fat. The reasons are not fully understood, but it probably has a lot to do with metabolism, a low set point, etc. etc.

                    Put the average person on this diet and they will fail miserably. I find that it's a bit ridiculous that he makes the claim that calories don't count just because of his little experiment (there are others who have made the same claims, Dave Asprey comes to mind, but don't even get me started on some of his stuff).

                    So, yeah, there are people who are simply resistant to fat gain no matter what they eat. I wouldn't use this as a reference point for the average person, however.
                    It's direct evidence that calories don't count BECAUSE there's more at play. The argument against CICO is that CICO people tend to insist that calories are ALL that matter. in fact, that's exactly how CICO is defined. I never see the argument framed as "Calories in Calories Out + Hormones + History + Genetics = body composition)." It's always simply, CICO. And that's where CICO fails.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Rebooted Body View Post
                      It's direct evidence that calories don't count BECAUSE there's more at play. The argument against CICO is that CICO people tend to insist that calories are ALL that matter. in fact, that's exactly how CICO is defined. I never see the argument framed as "Calories in Calories Out + Hormones + History + Genetics = body composition)." It's always simply, CICO. And that's where CICO fails.
                      I agree that there is more at play. However, what's frustrating is when someone thinks that they will lose weight without being in a caloric deficit due to some "magic" combination of macronutrients or manipulation of a specific hormone (insulin, for example). The fact remains that in order to lose fat, you must create an energy deficit, and vice versa.

                      It's amazing how many people ask for diet advice, and they can tell you the exact details of the mechanisms of the diet they're following, yet when you ask them how many calories they're eating, they have no idea. I see this all the time and I'm sure you do as well. And they wonder why they're not making progress. The energy deficit is the most basic and important fundamental to fat loss.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by CavemanJoe View Post
                        Say now I eat zero carbs, thus insulin secretion at bare minimum, what would happen if I eat four times my total fat intake, i.e. increase it to 600g and keep protein at a pound per body weight?

                        Would the fat that i don't use as energy get stored in the adipose tissue, similar to what happens with unused sugar?
                        when you are in a ketotic state unused energy is burned as free heat.

                        There are a trillion caveats to add to this explanation but they all boil down to

                        if that does not happen you are broken.

                        if you are not broken you burn excess energy as free heat from 10pm to 2am daily. done correctly this will reduce your energy excess and bring you to homeostasis
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                        • #13
                          additionally it takes 3 days to remove glucose from the system.

                          understand as well that as trigs are cleaved into glucose and ldl your blood sugar will rise and your insulin levels will show as if you had eaten glucose.

                          the type of experiment you propose is best monitored with regular blood work for a full Cholesterol panel and Fasting Insulin and HbA1c levels... regular as in every 3-4 weeks.

                          speaking as someone who lives this way being ketotic takes a bit to acclimate to and then requires a completely different mindset on eating than one that follows a non ketotic way of life.

                          being ketotic is not something that will bring measurable results in a short time. it takes about 3 weeks just to get there.
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