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    asometimes we're forced to make a choice between managing macro nutrient intake(fat vs carb vs protein) and eating whole food. example, at my college, I have to choose between eating fruit/salad and sausage rolls made with wheat and veggie oil. I usually take my own food but can't always do so.


    I usually go for the whole food option and deall with the consequences - ie. sugar crash. my question is which do you guys give priority - eating whole food or managing macro nutrient intake?
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    Eat a diet based on whole food, keep protein high (above 25 % of calories) and fat above 10 % of calories. The rest depends on various variables; related to how active or how fat you are etc., etc...
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    • #3
      I am more biased towards macronutrient intake, to be quite honest. I like to be flexible with my diet, and even if something might not be quite optimal health-wise, if it is conducive to my macro-nutrient goals, I will eat it.

      Now, this is my personal approach, and I'm not saying that this is what everyone should do, it's just my personal approach.

      I think you might find this interesting (Hormonal Responses to a Fast-Food Meal Compared with Nutritionally Comparable Meals of Different Composition – Research Review | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald), as it compares the bodily responses (hormonally) to a single fast-food meal and a single organic beef meal were almost identical due to the macro-nutrient composition being close to the same.

      So, I lean towards macronutrient intake based on my goals at the time.
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      • #4
        Whole food. Fatty meat as a center. Everything else just falls into place.

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        • #5
          I prefer whole foods with an imperfect nutrient ratio. Lyle is fantastic, but after trying to replace fruit with calorie-free jello while following his diets and getting sick from overuse of artificial sweeteners I ended up with whole foods. In my experience, the ideal diet is the one that keeps you in best shape without any swings, psycological or physiological.

          If fruit and veggies are the only available whole foods in cafeteria, I suggest that you carry some coconut oil with you and eat a tbsp of that an hour before your meal. That will prevent sugar crash. ANd you can catch up on proteins with breakfast and supper. Body doesn't need perfect ratio imo in every meal. It will average things out.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Leida View Post
            Lyle is fantastic, but after trying to replace fruit with calorie-free jello while following his diets and getting sick from overuse of artificial sweeteners I ended up with whole foods. In my experience, the ideal diet is the one that keeps you in best shape without any swings, psycological or physiological.
            Absolutely, I agree 100%, and I think Lyle would as well . It's all about what you can adhere to and what fits your individual situation and preferences.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by pabs View Post
              asometimes we're forced to make a choice between managing macro nutrient intake(fat vs carb vs protein) and eating whole food. example, at my college, I have to choose between eating fruit/salad and sausage rolls made with wheat and veggie oil. I usually take my own food but can't always do so.


              I usually go for the whole food option and deall with the consequences - ie. sugar crash. my question is which do you guys give priority - eating whole food or managing macro nutrient intake?
              Make the best choices you can, while foods if possible. You don't have to hit your macro targets (if you have any) every meal, or even every day. You can balance it out over the week.

              Personally I would avoid take fruit or salad over anything containing wheat, but then fruit doesn't seem to cause me to experience sugar spikes or crashes.
              You can always make up your protein later in the day.
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              • #8
                I avoid toxin first, then pursue nutrients second (since there are several possible options). I never view eating as urgent--I can always wait for a proper meal tonight or tomorrow. Plus my activity and inclinations are not the same every day or every season so I like to stay flexible.
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                • #9
                  I'd say that eating whole foods is better. Think about it this way: a tribal person would have had to put up with the odd (or even regular) macronutrient imbalance. Our bodies are designed to cope with this and adapt. Our bodies are not, however, designed to cope with vegetable oil and chemicals (not to mention if you may have wheat intolerance). Regularly spiking your blood sugar with natural foods is something you almost certainly can adapt to, even if not optimal. Regularly eating known toxins is something you almost certainly cannot adapt to and certainly not optimal.
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                  • #10
                    Whole foods, as long as you're getting good quality protein in there.
                    Disclaimer: I eat 'meat and vegetables' ala Primal, although I don't agree with the carb curve. I like Perfect Health Diet and WAPF Lactofermentation a lot.

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                    • #11
                      Definitely whole foods. Load up on fat and protein at breakfast and you won't need much, if anything for lunch

                      FWIW, I lived on pies for lunch as an undergraduate and now have serious CVD. Can't say one caused the other, but there's no need for you to repeat the experiment
                      Four years Primal with influences from Jaminet & Shanahan and a focus on being anti-inflammatory. Using Primal to treat CVD and prevent stents from blocking free of drugs.

                      Eat creatures nose-to-tail (animal, fowl, fish, crustacea, molluscs), a large variety of vegetables (raw, cooked and fermented, including safe starches), dairy (cheese & yoghurt), occasional fruit, cocoa, turmeric & red wine

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                      • #12
                        the link you posted is hell interesting Jake! though I do feel obvious negative consequences after eating shitty food, even if it has desirable macro ratios. I wonder if my feeling is physcological.


                        thanks for the coconut oil suggestion. that's brilliant!
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