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    I am getting back on track after dabbling with PB for a few months- just started again yesterday. I am female, 5'5", 140#, out 24% body fat last time I checked. Calories tracked yesterday were almost 2500 with 80% from fat, and 10% from protein and 10% from carbs. I ate a lot of fat due to feeling hungry (due to limiting carbs). I have read Mark's post about calories in context and many other forum opinions of whether or not calories matter- it just seems like such a large amount of calories for me- but should I just keep eating like this and see what happens? I was just so hungry I kept eating fat lol...

  • #2
    are you at all active? if not, i'd say 2500 cals is a lot, yes.

    protein is the most sating of the 3 macros, so unless you're controlling epilepsy with a ketogenic diet, i don't think your fats need to be that high.

    eat more meat.
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    • #3
      I am active, I walk several hours per week, do sprinting once per week, and body weight exercises 2-3 times per week.

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      • #4
        Out of curiosity, what do you eat that you get so much fat and so little protein? I'd eat more meat.

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        • #5
          Why are you insistent that that macro breakdown is the only way? Try lowering fat and increasing both protein and carbs to help feel more satiated. 100g protein, 100g carbs, the rest fat or whatever you feel hungry for. Doesn't have to be the same every day either!
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          • #6
            Originally posted by noodletoy View Post
            protein is the most sating of the 3 macros, so unless you're controlling epilepsy with a ketogenic diet, i don't think your fats need to be that high.

            eat more meat.
            Agreed ... fats for me were not satiating at all if not paired with one of the other 2 macros. If you want to try lowish carb, that's fine, but you can certainly have more protein.

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            • #7
              Also work in fasting, you aren't going to starve to death, over power your brain and tell it you will eat later.

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              • #8
                Eat more protein. That will help you feel less hungry. When you think "protein" don't think "nuts and nut butters", "yogurt", "cheese", "protein shakes". Think "chicken", "steak", "fish".
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                • #9
                  Yeah, definitely go with the advice of eating more protein. Calories certainly matter, and the range that you want to stay in will depend on your goal, but you will find that you're much less hungry when you up the protein.
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                  • #10
                    Why are you counting all this stuff to start with? Are you trying to treat a disease? It doesn't make sense to count if there isn't a treatment to be effected and it doesn't make sense to give advice when the goal is unknown.
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                    • #11
                      I deduce from your statistics that you are trying to put on some weight here, so good luck by that!
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                      • #12
                        Thanks to most everyone for helpful and constructive answers. Gorbag, snide comments like yours aren't helpful and when you say something that has the potential to bring someone down, it's usually best to just not say anything.

                        More protein definitely helped for midday hunger today. Sometimes it is hard for me to have appetite for a lot of protein- it can be very unappetizing (anyone else have this issue?) so that is why I don't get enough in sometimes and end up eating more fat (like yesterday I found a paleo recipe for coconut cream smoothie and that really upped the fat calories and overall calories). Today so far my calories are about 1800 and protein higher at 20%. The reason I was going low carb was because the goal is fat loss, although I felt a lot better with just 1/2 apple added to my breakfast. I read on the forums here (somewhere) that 1400 calories may be a good starting point for weight loss (?for women), but that seems like not enough calories for me. I think my maintenance is about 1800-2000 calories. I am re-reading the weight loss chapter of PB and I recognize that yes my fat intake was too extreme.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by muffinz View Post
                          Thanks to most everyone for helpful and constructive answers. Gorbag, snide comments like yours aren't helpful and when you say something that has the potential to bring someone down, it's usually best to just not say anything.
                          It's not meant to bring you down, but to wake you up, since you did not say anything about your goals! You are at 140 pound body weight and eat 2500 calories? For a normal active female you can multiply your weight with "15" to get the weight maintenance - in your case 2100 calories... So, if you are a typical woman you are 400 calories above maintenance and may gain almost a pound of fat per week! If you are VERY active you may be around a calorie balance, not gaining and not losing, so everything boils down to your goals...
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by magnolia1973 View Post
                            Out of curiosity, what do you eat that you get so much fat and so little protein? I'd eat more meat.
                            This. Man oh man, this.

                            It is going to be very, very hard to lose body fat when you're consuming so much fat. I wouldn't eat more than 35% fat if I were looking to lose weight. When it comes to weight, calories are all that matter.
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                            • #15
                              This is very individual for everyone. I have done a very low carb for a prolonged amount of time and it helped me lose my extra weight. However, most days I was eating 1200 - 1300 calories with moderate activity level.
                              Currently I consume about 1500 calories, approximately 140 - 150g carbs and exercise way more. I am maintaining. I go through not hungry periods and notice my clothes feel looser then.

                              I believe calories matter and for some people the "calories out" part of CICO equation does not work, but rather just the first half - "calories in".

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