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    Hi guys!!

    I really need help/some direction as to WHY my bowel movements have been SO SO strange over the past 3 weeks. To give you a brief idea of me:

    - 24 y/o female
    - Weight 59kg
    - Height 170cm
    - I've been training (properly) for about 2 years now, but my transition to a healthy lifestyle started about 4 years ago
    - Have not been eating carbs (except those obtained from fruits/veggies/nuts) for about a year now (before primal I used to have a cheat day, which was then reduced to a cheat meal/week), but I have bought and read the Primal Blueprint and have been using it as my bible for 10 weeks.
    - I now train 4 days a week (rather than the 6 sessions of 2 hours I used to do months ago)

    I have absolutely no dairy (even though Mark says some are okay), no grains and no legumes whatsoever. Believe me, I am very strict with what I put into my body (and I am doing it for the long term health benefits). And, I really enjoy it!

    Back to the main issue here; I have been having the strangest bowel movements over the past 3 weeks. My stomach starts turning and churning as soon as I eat anything and I immediately feel the need to go to the toilet. It's so intense that in my mind I feel like passing stool would be instant and easy, but it really isn't. Sometimes barely nothing comes out, and other times it is very watery/runny and not solid.

    I think this is so strange, especially because I have eliminated carbs from my diet about a year ago. The only thing I've been doing differently with Primal is not eating dairy and legumes.

    This is what I eat on a typical weekday:

    Breakfast
    - 2 soft boiled eggs

    Snack (11am)
    - 1x small size organic granny smith apple
    - Black coffee with 2 sugars

    Lunch
    - Very large portion of salad which consists of- mixed salad leaves (kale, spinach, lettuce), 1 cucumber, 1/2 an avocado, 1 tomato, 2 mushrooms, pinch of sunflower seeds, red capsicum.
    (My dressing is olive oil, 1/2 a lemon and a generous drizzle of vinegar)
    - Protein (either smoked salmon, fresh fish fillet, chicken breast or red meat)

    Snack
    - Black coffee/tea with 2 sugars

    Dinner
    - Salad + Protein: exactly the same as above (minus 1/2 avocado and I change up the protein. Eg. If I had salmon for lunch I'll have chicken for dinner)

    Snack
    - Tea with 2 sugars
    - Something sweet (Either a teaspoon of almond butter that I make myself from scratch, or, a piece of 85% cocoa dark chocolate).

    I stop eating at 6pm, and will fast until 8am the next day. (I used to intermittent fast for 16 hours/day up until 2 months ago, but had to stop because it wasn't working for me when I got a new job).

    Any insight as to why I'm experiencing discomfort would be greatly appreciated!!

  • #2
    I would eliminate the sugar from your coffee and tea if you can. Empty calories. Learn to drink straight or use stevia if you have to. Just my personal opinion. It's unrelated to your thread topic though.

    It seems you are not getting any probiotics in your diet. May I suggest you start enjoying some fermented foods (particularly veggies since you don't do dairy) on a daily basis? That'll help a lot. My digestion totally evened out after I started learning to eat real lacto-fermented foods.

    Also, replacing some of the harder to digest raw veggies with fermented ones which are slightly predigested already will let you absorb more of the nutrition from your vegetables.
    Last edited by Drumroll; 06-24-2013, 11:30 PM.
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    • #3
      Did you increase your fiber intake? Eliminating fiber is actually a cure for constipation in some people.


      Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
        I would eliminate the sugar from your coffee and tea if you can. Empty calories. Learn to drink straight or use stevia if you have to. Just my personal opinion. It's unrelated to your thread topic though.

        It seems you are not getting any probiotics in your diet. May I suggest you start enjoying some fermented foods (particularly veggies since you don't do dairy) on a daily basis? That'll help a lot. My digestion totally evened out after I started learning to eat real lacto-fermented foods.

        Also, replacing some of the harder to digest raw veggies with fermented ones which are slightly predigested already will let you absorb more of the nutrition from your vegetables.
        Thanks for the reply!

        I used to use splenda/equal up until I found out (thanks to the Primal Blueprint) how bad it actually is. I have honestly tried so hard to give up the raw sugar in my teas and coffees, but I really have a very sweet tooth. Even cutting out chocolates and desserts after dinner has been such a struggle. Chocolate is the only thing I still crave allllll the time

        When it comes to veggies- I just don't enjoy eating them right now. I think I over did it throughout the past year with them, but now that I think of it, that can be the reason why I'm experiencing stomach discomfort.

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        • #5
          Trust me, fermented foods will make a huge difference with efficiency of digestion not to mention they themselves are easier to digest than their raw, or even cooked, counterparts because the bacteria has predigested it. You'll not only regulate your digestive system with the bacteria from the ferments but will absorb more nutrition from the foods you're eating as a result which will make you feel better.

          If you simply MUST have a sweetener, honey, maple syrup, or especially molasses are much better choices since they at least have SOME redeeming nutritional qualities in them. Or better yet, try stevia like I suggested before.
          "The cling and a clang is the metal in my head when I walk. I hear a sort of, this tinging noise - cling clang. The cling clang. So many things happen while walking. The metal in my head clangs and clings as I walk - freaks my balance out. So the natural thought is just clogged up. Totally clogged up. So we need to unplug these dams, and make the the natural flow... It sort of freaks me out. We need to unplug the dams. You cannot stop the natural flow of thought with a cling and a clang..."

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          • #6
            I shoot for very low or no starch. Digestion improves if I eat fermented things with meals and predominantly carnivorous eating for optimum stools. I swear kombucha liquefies meat to a degree. I'm prone to constipation and have had IBS when I eat starches. So it's meat, eggs, berries, some chocolate, a few nuts, coffee/tea (including dandelion and nettle), kombucha, sauerkraut, and (rarely, slowly reintroducing) cooked vegetables like carrots dandelion, nettle, or seaweed. I should probably eat seaweed more often, I just don't. But BM's are best when I eat no raw greens and no fake (industrially processed) milk.

            Magnesium is great, too. Molasses is a good source of magnesium. I also find honey to be harmless in the tiny amounts I consume of it.

            That's my N=1 anyway...
            Crohn's, doing SCD

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            • #7
              It looks like you're eating a lot of salad. I know for me, salad is really hard to digest. I just spent two weeks travelling and ended up eating it quite a lot and let's just say I had a lot of problems..!

              But this doesn't sound like regular constipation. I've spent a lot of time in India so I've had my share of Delhi belly, and it sounds more like that. Symptoms can last quite a while if you're not actively eating your way out of it. Do you think it's possible you ate some dirty / unfresh food?
              "I think the basic anti-aging diet is also the best diet for prevention and treatment of diabetes, scleroderma, and the various "connective tissue diseases." This would emphasize high protein, low unsaturated fats, low iron, and high antioxidant consumption, with a moderate or low starch consumption.

              In practice, this means that a major part of the diet should be milk, cheese, eggs, shellfish, fruits and coconut oil, with vitamin E and salt as the safest supplements."

              - Ray Peat

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              • #8
                sturdy leafy greens like spinach and kale can be difficult to digest.

                i'd back off the raw greens for awhile and switch to cooked.

                you may want a bit more fat to help moves thing along.

                make sure to be drinking plenty of water.

                and yeah, probiotics.
                As I ate the oysters with their strong taste of the sea and their faint metallic taste that the cold white wine washed away, leaving only the sea taste and the succulent texture, and as I drank their cold liquid from each shell and washed it down with the crisp taste of the wine, I lost the empty feeling and began to be happy and to make plans.

                Ernest Hemingway

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                • #9
                  My digestion has actually improved by eating more starches (ala "Perfect Health Diet") and less greens. Your mileage may vary.
                  Depression Lies

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                  • #10
                    I have the same problem when eating Primal/Paleo. And unfortunately none of the more natural methods work for me. Senna tea works for some - Organic Smooth Move tea works for some, if it is available in your area. But many people experience cramping when using Senna.

                    I personally have to take a magnesium supplement every day to deal with the problem. If it is available in your country - try 250 mg daily and go up from there....
                    Lady Gecko, a.k.a. Theresa.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by berra View Post
                      Hi guys!!

                      I really need help/some direction as to WHY my bowel movements have been SO SO strange over the past 3 weeks. To give you a brief idea of me:

                      - 24 y/o female
                      - Weight 59kg
                      - Height 170cm
                      - I've been training (properly) for about 2 years now, but my transition to a healthy lifestyle started about 4 years ago
                      - Have not been eating carbs (except those obtained from fruits/veggies/nuts) for about a year now (before primal I used to have a cheat day, which was then reduced to a cheat meal/week), but I have bought and read the Primal Blueprint and have been using it as my bible for 10 weeks.
                      - I now train 4 days a week (rather than the 6 sessions of 2 hours I used to do months ago)

                      I have absolutely no dairy (even though Mark says some are okay), no grains and no legumes whatsoever. Believe me, I am very strict with what I put into my body (and I am doing it for the long term health benefits). And, I really enjoy it!

                      Back to the main issue here; I have been having the strangest bowel movements over the past 3 weeks. My stomach starts turning and churning as soon as I eat anything and I immediately feel the need to go to the toilet. It's so intense that in my mind I feel like passing stool would be instant and easy, but it really isn't. Sometimes barely nothing comes out, and other times it is very watery/runny and not solid.

                      I think this is so strange, especially because I have eliminated carbs from my diet about a year ago. The only thing I've been doing differently with Primal is not eating dairy and legumes.

                      This is what I eat on a typical weekday:

                      Breakfast
                      - 2 soft boiled eggs

                      Snack (11am)
                      - 1x small size organic granny smith apple
                      - Black coffee with 2 sugars

                      Lunch
                      - Very large portion of salad which consists of- mixed salad leaves (kale, spinach, lettuce), 1 cucumber, 1/2 an avocado, 1 tomato, 2 mushrooms, pinch of sunflower seeds, red capsicum.
                      (My dressing is olive oil, 1/2 a lemon and a generous drizzle of vinegar)
                      - Protein (either smoked salmon, fresh fish fillet, chicken breast or red meat)

                      Snack
                      - Black coffee/tea with 2 sugars

                      Dinner
                      - Salad + Protein: exactly the same as above (minus 1/2 avocado and I change up the protein. Eg. If I had salmon for lunch I'll have chicken for dinner)

                      Snack
                      - Tea with 2 sugars
                      - Something sweet (Either a teaspoon of almond butter that I make myself from scratch, or, a piece of 85% cocoa dark chocolate).

                      I stop eating at 6pm, and will fast until 8am the next day. (I used to intermittent fast for 16 hours/day up until 2 months ago, but had to stop because it wasn't working for me when I got a new job).

                      Any insight as to why I'm experiencing discomfort would be greatly appreciated!!


                      I ran into the same problem at around the same time frame of doing primal. I ended up going to emerg because i wasnt able to go at all for 6 days and the pain was unbearable. They ordered citromag and lactulose.. Nothing worked. I found natural remedies that work and i use them daily. I large glass of hot water with 1/2 lemon squeezed into it. Drink this as soon as you get up in the morning. I also take a tbsp of coconut oil every morning. Sometimes i mix it in the lemon water other times i just take it plain. Since doing this regularily i havent had any problems. Hope it helps you.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ldygeko View Post
                        I have the same problem when eating Primal/Paleo. And unfortunately none of the more natural methods work for me. Senna tea works for some - Organic Smooth Move tea works for some, if it is available in your area. But many people experience cramping when using Senna.

                        I personally have to take a magnesium supplement every day to deal with the problem. If it is available in your country - try 250 mg daily and go up from there....
                        what kind of magnesium do you use ladygeko? I have found various testimonials about oxide vs. citrate vs. glycinate....the glycinate was recommended to me, but it's hard to find in drugstores.....
                        Last edited by Barnyard; 06-25-2013, 10:02 AM.
                        The life I have today is far better than I deserve.......

                        M, 58, 6'0
                        SW - 192
                        CW - 180
                        GW - 165-170

                        Current addiction: ice cream (and sugar in general).....doing battle with it!

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                        • #13
                          Citrate is best for absorption.
                          Depression Lies

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Drumroll View Post
                            Trust me, fermented foods will make a huge difference with efficiency of digestion not to mention they themselves are easier to digest than their raw, or even cooked, counterparts because the bacteria has predigested it. You'll not only regulate your digestive system with the bacteria from the ferments but will absorb more nutrition from the foods you're eating as a result which will make you feel better.

                            If you simply MUST have a sweetener, honey, maple syrup, or especially molasses are much better choices since they at least have SOME redeeming nutritional qualities in them. Or better yet, try stevia like I suggested before.
                            Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't know much about fermented foods so I did a google search and came up with this:

                            What Is Fermented Food? - Feature - Food News

                            Apparently I can have long-fermented sourdough bread, dark chocolate, red wine, soy, full fat greek yoghurt and some cheeses?

                            This is all new info for me!

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                            • #15
                              I was always under the impression that salads would be easier to digest than vegetables...

                              And no, I literally rarely ever eat out, and when I cook, I make a conscious effort to buy clean and organic foods, so I doubt it could be a result of unfresh food.

                              It might also help to add that my friend and I started this primal way of eating on the same day, and pretty much have the same diet (and by diet I mean food), and she too experiences the pains and bowel movements like I do. This is why it must be something that we're eating/not eating. I am going to try and cut back to 1 salad/day and have more veggies. Definitely will try the fermented foods, and maybe taking some supplements will also help.

                              I'm so desperate to get to the bottom of this...

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