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  • #31
    Originally posted by Zach View Post
    You cannot get strong doing 10 minutes of lifting a week, period. I dont care what your definition of strong is. Anyone who can only devote 10 minutes a week is just plain lazy or doesnt really care to be muscular.
    Well maybe you can't get stronger but I can, maybe you should educate your self some before spouting off non-sense.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
      Yes, I do, assuming you're not doing excessive volume or frequently going to muscular failure. Using an extreme example here, but Olympic weightlifters squat heavy several times per week, sometimes every day, for long periods of time, without problems.

      I think you are severely underestimating the body's ability to adapt to a stimulus. And, in my opinion, your approach is overly conservative.
      Also i completely agree with this. Weightlifters use your bodies ability to adapt to get stronger. Training 6-14 times a week is optimal for strength and hypertrophy gains, usually never going to complete muscle exhaustion. 3-4 times a week is optimal for the average person who just wants to be strong and in great shape. 1 time a week is just pathetic and will not produce any significant gains in mass or strength. Super compensation by resting only works if you are completely tearing yourself apart which i do not believe you can do in 10 minutes even if you are going to failure and doing supermaximal holds.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by rockrunner View Post
        Well maybe you can't get stronger but I can, maybe you should educate your self some before spouting off non-sense.
        Would you please tell us about your strength gains while training 10 minutes a week? Beginning numbers and current? How long have to been training this way?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by rockrunner View Post
          Well maybe you can't get stronger but I can, maybe you should educate your self some before spouting off non-sense.
          Not trying to be disrespectful here, but you have offered literally nothing in support of lifting weights 10 minutes per week. Don't accuse someone of spouting nonsense without offering any kind of support for your own argument.

          I'm all for debate, as long as this doesn't get out of hand with insults and name calling.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Zach View Post
            Would you please tell us about your strength gains while training 10 minutes a week? Beginning numbers and current? How long have to been training this way?
            Just educate yourself on weight training not just Starting Strength style...thats not the only game in the book...

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            • #36
              Originally posted by rockrunner View Post
              Just educate yourself on weight training not just Starting Strength style...thats not the only game in the book...
              You have no idea what you are talking about. Check my journal for how close my training is to starting strength.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                Not trying to be disrespectful here, but you have offered literally nothing in support of lifting weights 10 minutes per week. Don't accuse someone of spouting nonsense without offering any kind of support for your own argument.

                I'm all for debate, as long as this doesn't get out of hand with insults and name calling.
                You haven't offered up anything on your side either other than your opinion that you agree with me and not Zach that a once a week weight training workout can make you strong.
                Last edited by rockrunner; 06-22-2013, 03:03 PM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Zach View Post
                  You have no idea what you are talking about. Check my journal for how close my training is to starting strength.
                  I never said you do Starting Strength plus your the one making claims here....you prove 10 minutes a week weight training can't make you strong...that's your claim...where is your proof?

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                  • #39
                    You haven't offered up anything on your side either other than your opinion that you agree with me and not Zach that a once a week weight training workout can make you strong.
                    T NATION | Fact vs. Fiction: The Truth about Training Frequency
                    American College of Sports Medicine position stand. Progression models in resistance training... - Abstract - Europe PubMed Central
                    Determining Optimal Training Frequency - How to Build Muscle | Strength Training Workouts | Mass Gain Diet | How to Build Muscle | Strength Training Workouts | Mass Gain Diet
                    Training Frequency for Mass Gains | BodyRecomposition - The Home of Lyle McDonald

                    Some reading will do you some good.

                    You seem to be really intent on completely butchering what I'm saying in order to make your own point. Can training once per week make you strong? Sure, it's a possibility that, compared to not training at all, training once per week will make you stronger. Is it recommended for someone trying to gain an appreciable amount of muscle and strength within the next 5 years? No.

                    I'll reiterate: the human body is made to adapt to a stimulus. If the only stimulus you give your body to grow/get stronger is 10 minutes once per week, you're not going to get very far, sorry to break it to you. However, if you give your body a consistent stimulus that is enough to force adaptation several times per week, you will see more results.

                    I'm not bashing you for training for 10 minutes per week, but Zach is right. When compared to the results of someone who applies progressive tension overload three times per week (I'm not even talking about Starting Strength, any kind of program), the results of lifting 10 minutes per week will not even be close.
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                    • #40
                      The only carbs I eat are from vegetables and I work out daily for 2 hours. I feel just fine doing this... But honestly, everyone is different. Maybe try and eat some starchier vegetables prior to your exercise. Sweet potatoes are great fuel!

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by rockrunner
                        I agree with you generally on these points but I'm not certain about some of the time frames you list here...certainly over short time frames like 6 - 9 months I'm in full agreement but beyond that your gains made are going to stop eventually then what? Once you get strong your strong...unless your going to do a bunch of extra stuff you'll be about as strong as your going be. So if you do the slower less time consuming method of a once a week workout you don't think you can make it to that level of strength ever ? even if it takes say 6 - 9 months longer to get there till you level out?
                        What are you arguing here, gaining muscle/strength or maintaining? There's a monumental difference, as it takes much less frequency/volume to maintain than it does to gain.

                        If you're trying to gain muscle/strength, whether it's long term or short term, applying progressive overload three times per week is going to be better than one time per week. Plain and simple.

                        Are strength gains going to stall? Of course they will, this is true for any program of any frequency. There are so many other aspects that go into a training program, diet and recovery being two of them.

                        Your idea that you need to give your body enough rest, so you only train for 10 minutes per week is absolutely silly, and completely underestimating the body's ability to adapt to a stimulus, as I said earlier.

                        I'm not sure I've fully understood what you meant by that last post, but that's what I've got to say.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by rockrunner
                          Thanks for responding in respectful way BTW.

                          What I mean is there is a certain strength you can attain without going to extra ordinary(crazy) training....so how you get there can vary...the training you suggest may be the fastest method to get there and I can't dispute that at all but I'm not convinced that's its the only way to get there...just the my basic argument I guess. How sure are you there aren't a dozen ways to get that strong? or however many.
                          No problem man. I'm always up for a healthy debate.

                          So I'm assuming you're referring to genetic potential. This is different for everyone, but yes, at a point, strength gains/muscle gains will stall (muscle gains will stop quicker than strength gains, I believe). Again, respectfully, I think the way you're thinking about this is silly. Assuming you're trying to get stronger and more muscular, why would you not want to achieve this in a shorter period of time, in order to maximize your potential? Training once per week is not getting even close to maximizing your potential, and strength/muscle gains will stall very quickly simply because you're not giving your body reason to adapt.

                          Yes, you're absolutely right, there are hundreds of ways to get strong. But, some ways are better than others, and I'm not at all convinced that training once per week will give you results even close to what training 3-4x per week will give you.

                          So, in a nutshell, you're limiting yourself by only training once per week. Your body can adapt to much more than that, and I think that lifting more frequently gives you more room for growth.
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by jakejoh10 View Post
                            No problem man. I'm always up for a healthy debate.

                            So I'm assuming you're referring to genetic potential. This is different for everyone, but yes, at a point, strength gains/muscle gains will stall (muscle gains will stop quicker than strength gains, I believe). Again, respectfully, I think the way you're thinking about this is silly. Assuming you're trying to get stronger and more muscular, why would you not want to achieve this in a shorter period of time, in order to maximize your potential? Training once per week is not getting even close to maximizing your potential, and strength/muscle gains will stall very quickly simply because you're not giving your body reason to adapt.

                            Yes, you're absolutely right, there are hundreds of ways to get strong. But, some ways are better than others, and I'm not at all convinced that training once per week will give you results even close to what training 3-4x per week will give you.

                            So, in a nutshell, you're limiting yourself by only training once per week. Your body can adapt to much more than that, and I think that lifting more frequently gives you more room for growth.
                            Thanks for the response on this and I'll keep all that in mind.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Zach View Post
                              Ugh. No one ever got strong lifting a total of an hour or less a week.
                              I think this may not be true for everyone.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Aili View Post
                                I think this may not be true for everyone.
                                I think those peoples definition of strong would differ with mine.

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