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    Hi all,
    I wanted to get your thoughts/recos for my current stomach issues.
    I've been doing a primal diet for nearly 3 weeks (zero grains, no sugar or processed foods, still a small amount of dairy - usually hard cheese, butter or cream in my coffee 1x/d). I've been eating a lot of meat, and fattier meats than I've ever been used to, eggs, tonnes of veggies and some fruit (maybe 2-3x fruit/day).
    For the first week, my stomach felt better than it had in years, finally no gas or bloating, no discomfort after every single meal... (Perhaps it finally had a break from grains). But later in the second week I started to experience some GI distress... It's slightly irritated regularly and then gets more irritated after I eat... A little bit if gas and a few sharp pains, and just generally noisey and irritated. The other thing that changed in the second week was that I started taking some Zn (50mg), Mg (300mg), D (1000IU) and the past three days, some potassium (50mg 2x/day). I try to take most of the minerals with meals b/c I know I have a sensitive stomach.
    I also take Welbutrin (300mg) and amytryptalene (10mg) daily, but I'm trying to reduce the amytryptalene (it's for Fibro).
    Just wondering about your thoughts... Would my stomach be healing and thus hurt or does that not make sense? If it was grains that had been bothering it and now they're gone, why is it still hurting? I thought I would be feeling better.
    Before I started this, I always seemed to feel stress in my stomach and it would bother me more close to my period...
    Anyway, thoughts...?

  • #2
    It's the vegetables
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    • #3
      leave the amitriptyline be until your more settled - it has quite an effect on the gut and the vagus nerve and the change in diet is enough for you right now.
      are you eating much more veg than you used to or different types or more raw?
      When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
      27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
      new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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      • #4
        I'm eating close to the same amount if veggies... I've always eaten a lot (was vegan fir 10yrs in my teens into early 20s. It might be slightly higher now to fill in where grains used to be, but I couldn't say it's substantially more. I'd say it's about half/half raw vs cooked... Raw is usually leafy greens like spinach/arugula/romaine... And salad veggies like cucumbers and tomatoes (fruit?), sometimes a bit of raw onion for flavour on salads. The rest generally end up cooked (steamed or roasted)... I love broccoli, asparagus, Brussels, peppers, onions....
        Should I only be eating cooked veggies?

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        • #5
          Yes. I would cut out those vegetables entirely, or replace them with tubers.

          Also, when you go from being a vegan, to eating normal food, constipation and stomach discomfort is normal.
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          • #6
            I haven't been vegan in quite some time... I was on SAD for the last 6 yrs or so. So I'm not supposed to eat any if the vegetables that have the greatest nutritional value and nutraceutical-like benefits (Brassica)? Now I'm very confused... Most of the ppl on here eat next to no tubers, and recommend such... :s

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            • #7
              Most people on here are constipated.

              Also, vegetables have anti-nutrients, and many of the vitamins aren't bioavailable. They look impressive on paper only.
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              • #8
                Any other thoughts? I feel like this advice is counter to everything else I've recently been learning. Also, I'm not constipated...

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                • #9
                  when yore eating higher fat it slows the general digestion down which gives an opportunity for more gas to develop- specially with gassy veg like broccoli,Brussels and onions.
                  it might be worth cutting the volume of veg down a bit
                  potassium can be hard on the stomach for a lot of people and can cause loose stools, I know I suggested you take it, but I don't think you need it with plenty of veg and 3 fruits so abandon it. For some reason i thought you were vlc
                  Last edited by CarbDodger; 06-22-2013, 11:10 AM.
                  When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
                  27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
                  new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by L0kI View Post
                    Any other thoughts? I feel like this advice is counter to everything else I've recently been learning. Also, I'm not constipated...
                    there is a reason for that. but if you're only interested in one side, then ok. sounds like you have an inflamed gut, probably from a variety of things in your diet, the vegetables just stood out the most to me.
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                    • #11
                      Thanks Carbdodger... I appreciate your thoughts. So, can I ask which veggies would be ideal to eat during this period of stomach irritation? I understand broccoli, cabbage, brussels, cauliflower may not be ideal now... but what should I eat to keep it calm?

                      I'll also abandon the potassium for now and stick with the Zinc and Mg... I can re-introduce later when my tummy feels better and see if it irritates.

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                      • #12
                        What is the reason for that then? Sorry, it's very hard to assess things when always getting conflicting information (not your fault, this is how nutrition science seems to work)... I can only try one or two things at a time if I hope to be able to assess anything with any reasonable certainty. So I've been trying what I see as the basic core diet that seems to be advocated around here (obviously everyone's approach varies slightly, or notably). Anyway, I think it might be the best approach to first try to work within that paradigm before full-on switching gears and going heavy potatoes all the sudden when the prevailing opinion around here seems to be that tubers etc are not ideal b/c of the starch/sugar (or b/c potatoes are nightshades etc). That does not mean I'm unwilling to entertain the idea that what you suggest may be true, I just feel that 2.5 weeks into this, if I all the sudden switch to something that I see as quite different, I wouldn't really have given this a chance to work. Does that make sense?

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                        • #13
                          i'm not really the best advisor on veggies as I'm doing VLC.
                          I did have IBS though (hence my knowledge of amitriptyline) and had to avoid broccoli, cabbage, brussels, cauliflower and onions. try replacing onions with spring onions, I found swede(rutabaga) and carrots really good (soothing for the tummy actually) .mushrooms i also find good but slice them
                          Derpamix has a less conventional stance on primal but is correct on starches-you can eat occasional sweet potato and potato- they might make the transition easier. check Marks advice here Primal Blueprint Shopping List | Mark's Daily Apple
                          to be honest though just cutting the volume a bit with each meal will probably help- as a vegie you were probably used to veg clearing the gut quickly but fatty meats change that; it might even be worth eating a salad plate starter then the meat course with just a little veg accompaniment.
                          the transition period is the hardest and when you already have a problem (I do too) it makes it more complex.
                          remember though this isn't a diet as such and doesn't have to be 100% perfect right away- give yourself wiggle room and fine tune it to your body and your needs

                          you might want to consider a probiotic too
                          When I'd had enough of the grain and starched based 'diabetic eating for health' diet (eating for health, my ass!) my weight was 242.5 lbs. On starting primal- 18th April 2013 weight : 238.1.
                          27th July 2013. weight after 100 days 136.9 weight lost 101.2lb ; that's 105.6lbs since I stopped the 'diabetic eating for health'
                          new journal http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum...ml#post1264082

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                          • #14
                            I agree, try cutting back on the veggies, not necessarily eliminate, see what happens......
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                            • #15
                              Thanks again! I will try to do that... I definitely do eat large volumes, so I'll try to keep the volume of the more offensive ones down. Are leafy greens still ok or may they bother me as well? I love rutabaga and turnip, but alas, not a huge carrot fan, but I can shred them. I've cut down a lot on the potatoes, but I still have one or two small ones/wk. And added in a sweet potato here and there even though they aren't something that's ever been a staple in my diet, it seems people think they're notably better than potatoes.

                              Okay, so I'll try to moderate intake of these more offensive veggies... does cooking them help? I just made a tomato sauce with a tonne of ground beef, sweet peppers, white onions and fresh garlic... but it's been well stewed/simmered, will that make it easier on my stomach or should I avoid this type of thing.

                              One last question, and I know you don't KNOW the answer, but I'd appreciate your thoughts... if this irritation is the effect of these veggies, do you think it's a matter of needing to heal my stomach (ie, temporary) or that these things will always cause irritation?

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