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    5 hours after eating a very generous ration of meat with olive oil I started feeling dizzy, I've read somewhere else that it might be because of low sugar due to digestion* so I ate a bit of dark chocolate and now I'm much better.

    But my question is, might I be eating too much meat? I've read that (in the book I think) that is practically impossible to eat too much meat as its protein content is extremely filling, but what if I did anyway?


    *Due to iron, apparently

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    It's not so much the meat, it could be the high amount of protein in your system with the absence of sugar and starch.

    I developed hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) after eating ANYTHING a week after a went very low carb. I wasn't even a diabetic and very healthy. I never suffered such an episode, and they continued until I upped carbs to 100-150g and added starch and fruit.

    What else are you eating? Beware of low carb. I know you're lean and young, so am I. I had no reason to restrict carbohydrates so severely. Carbohydrate restriction for healthy and developing individuals can be dangerous. Eat more CARBS.

    I'm just assuming your carbohydrate intake is low. Don't just eat meat, eat vegetables or some potatoes with it. Eat some fruits after a meal, don't resort to dark chocolate and sugar. It could be iron but it doesn't sound like you had this issue before. Don't jeopardise your health and forget the idea that fat can efficiently replace carbohydrates as a reliable, healthy and stable fuel source. Don't get sucked into the low carbohydrate dogma.

    If you want help you can always message me. Read the book. I can tell you some scary experiences about when I went low carb as a healthy, young and lean male and I did it right but it never worked out. x1 your lean body mass weight in lbs to determine an appropriate protein intake. For example, I'm 130 lbs and consume about 100-120g protein a day.

    You are young. Stop over thinking it. Going by your previous posts, you don't even gain weight on a typical diet and your health is fine. Why are you doing Primal? Don't compromise your health.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mikee5 View Post
      It's not so much the meat, it could be the high amount of protein in your system with the absence of sugar and starch.

      I developed hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) after eating ANYTHING a week after a went very low carb. I wasn't even a diabetic and very healthy. I never suffered such an episode, and they continued until I upped carbs to 100-150g and added starch and fruit.

      What else are you eating? Beware of low carb. I know you're lean and young, so am I. I had no reason to restrict carbohydrates so severely. Carbohydrate restriction for healthy and developing individuals can be dangerous. Eat more CARBS.

      I'm just assuming your carbohydrate intake is low. Don't just eat meat, eat vegetables or some potatoes with it. Eat some fruits after a meal, don't resort to dark chocolate and sugar. It could be iron but it doesn't sound like you had this issue before. Don't jeopardise your health and forget the idea that fat can efficiently replace carbohydrates as a reliable, healthy and stable fuel source. Don't get sucked into the low carbohydrate dogma.

      If you want help you can always message me. Read the book. I can tell you some scary experiences about when I went low carb as a healthy, young and lean male and I did it right but it never worked out. x1 your lean body mass weight in lbs to determine an appropriate protein intake. For example, I'm 130 lbs and consume about 100-120g protein a day.

      You are young. Stop over thinking it. Going by your previous posts, you don't even gain weight on a typical diet and your health is fine. Why are you doing Primal? Don't compromise your health.
      Ah... congratulations, you're the first primal skeptic I've found here

      My carbohydrate intake has lowered recently, the only carbohydrates I eat are a couple of vegetables and fruits and a little bit of dark chocolate.

      According to your formula I would need around 121 grams a day... I think I eat around 50% more, is that a problem? Should I decrease that quantity 50% and increase my fruit and fats intake or something?

      And about doing primal if my health is "fine" anyway, I would like to tell you (you might have missed the post) that before starting primal I had IBS, only for that (and many other reasons) I will never ever stop going primal. What I might do is to add more fruits to my diet and even possibly a little starch.

      But thanks for your comment anyway!

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      • #4
        I think less meat and more fruit and starchy carbs would be good, based on what you've posted. It sounds to me like you probably are eating too much meat and not enough of other things.
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        • #5
          You can eat too much meat (protein) but it doesn't sound like that is your problem.
          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by sbhikes View Post
            You can eat too much meat (protein) but it doesn't sound like that is your problem.
            Are you sure? I'm eating meat in really big rations (my definition of big is different from the american one, but still big) and I've never felt more filled after my meals (I cannot even think of eating chocolate up to 4 hours after eating a large meal).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
              I think less meat and more fruit and starchy carbs would be good, based on what you've posted. It sounds to me like you probably are eating too much meat and not enough of other things.
              What are "other things" for you? More fruit? More fat? I don't eat nuts nor dairy (butter excluded) and vegetables take too much time to be eaten to consider doubling my rations (I tried to do it and I spent 2 hours a day eating).

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              • #8
                As I said, more fruit, starchy carbs, and/or fat. I can't tell you exactly what to eat, you'll have to figure out what's right for you on your own. If you're not feeling well, it's not right. If eating carbs helps the dizzy feeling, I would suspect you need more carbs.

                You don't have to eat nuts or dairy.

                How does it take a long time to eat broccoli (or any other vegetable)? You don't have to eat a whole plate of it.

                If you're not interested in eating vegetables, do a search on the forum for carnivores. Paleobird is currently eating a nearly all-meat diet and doing quite well. It's not for everyone, but she might have some insight.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by namelesswonder View Post
                  As I said, more fruit, starchy carbs, and/or fat. I can't tell you exactly what to eat, you'll have to figure out what's right for you on your own. If you're not feeling well, it's not right. If eating carbs helps the dizzy feeling, I would suspect you need more carbs.

                  You don't have to eat nuts or dairy.

                  How does it take a long time to eat broccoli (or any other vegetable)? You don't have to eat a whole plate of it.

                  If you're not interested in eating vegetables, do a search on the forum for carnivores. Paleobird is currently eating a nearly all-meat diet and doing quite well. It's not for everyone, but she might have some insight.
                  I don't take too much to eat cauliflower or broccoli, the problem is in the salad, I need up to 30 minutes to eat a whole salad.

                  I won't risk too much trying being carnivore (specially since I don't have access to quality meat) but I'll try to eat more carbs. But just wondering, if the real problem was hypoglycemia, why did I have hypoglycemia on first place? Shouldn't the body make its own carb supply when there aren't carbs on the diet? Did I enter ketosis or something?

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                  • #10
                    The amount of protein you must have is 0.7 gr / 1kg lean body mass or approx 1 gr / body mass. Depending on your amount of exercise or lack of, more protein than that may be converted to carbs or spilled into urine. But it shouldn't hurt you IF you are already well adapted to paleo/primal. Therefore, if your join date is when you started primal, the problem may be that you are not yet well-adapted.

                    I'd suggest reducing the protein, adding more carbs, and generally slowing down the changes until your body has more time to adapt.
                    "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cryptocode View Post
                      The amount of protein you must have is 0.7 gr / 1kg lean body mass or approx 1 gr / body mass. Depending on your amount of exercise or lack of, more protein than that may be converted to carbs or spilled into urine. But it shouldn't hurt you IF you are already well adapted to paleo/primal. Therefore, if your join date is when you started primal, the problem may be that you are not yet well-adapted.

                      I'd suggest reducing the protein, adding more carbs, and generally slowing down the changes until your body has more time to adapt.
                      Well, I'm a fan of the extremes, so I might have been too quick with the changes, do you mean that after a couple of months I shouldn't have problems with excess protein and hypoglycemia?

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                      • #12
                        I'm not a Primal skeptic, I truly believe in Primal but I don't support the idea of Mark advocating a lower carbohydrate intake and, in my opinion, the misleading and flawed 'carbohydrate curve'.

                        Ketosis and low carbohydrate dieting is for people with very damaged metabolisms who have been consuming processed foods excessively for prolonged periods of time, i.e. older folk, morbidly obese individuals, those who are extremely metobically resistant etc. and only for a temporary period of time, where one can successfully gradually increase carbohydrate consumption.

                        There are so many health risks associated with low carb, it affects your hormones, thyroid, develops insulin resistence etc. the VLC folk here can disagree with me and that's fine, but the experiences of some who have restricted carbohydrates for a prologned period of time is enough to prove anybody wrong. Young people especially need to avoid glucose deprivation, it will destroy your organs, destroy hormone balance, rapid aging, fatigue, overall poor mental clarity and uncertainty.

                        What young man eats green vegetables and limited fruit for glucose? Bake some sweet potato (I prefer white) fries, eat bananas, eat white rice. These are all good sources of starch and provide immediate energy. Eat berries, apples, grapes, oranges etc. you NEED sugar. Just enjoy Primal foods overall. I seriously suggest you increase your carbohydrates immediately before your blood sugar drops too low with all that protein and no sugar or starch. I had moments where I was unalert and disorientated after an omelette or steak so severely I had to lay down and my father nearly called an ambulance. Do you know that your electrolytes are probably out of whack, too? You don't eat dairy so minimum calcium and you have limited vegetables and fruit so limited potassium and magnesium. Just research the defeciency symptoms of each of these minerals.

                        I better stop before I get attacked lolz. I am not diagnosing you, I'm not a nutritionist, just speaking from experience and research. Please forget the idea of ketosis. Primal isn't a meat-only diet. Vegetables and fruits are more nutritious, starch and sugar works wonders for energy and protein builds strength and also provides energy. Fat is great for satiation. If you want to know more and need help you can always message me.
                        Last edited by Mikee5; 06-19-2013, 01:00 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Miguelinileugim View Post
                          Are you sure? I'm eating meat in really big rations (my definition of big is different from the american one, but still big) and I've never felt more filled after my meals (I cannot even think of eating chocolate up to 4 hours after eating a large meal).
                          All I know is that after a while I seem to have had my fill and the thought of any more protein is positively revolting. It has nothing to do with portion size. It has more to do with eating more than I need for a while and having it catch up to me.
                          Female, 5'3", 50, Max squat: 202.5lbs. Max deadlift: 225 x 3.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Miguelinileugim View Post
                            Well, I'm a fan of the extremes, so I might have been too quick with the changes, do you mean that after a couple of months I shouldn't have problems with excess protein and hypoglycemia?
                            You could hardly find anyone on this forum will less background knowledge about nutrition or bio-chemistry. LOL. I do know that it has taken my body much longer to adjust to changes in diet, even small ones, than i had expected. This also seems to be true of many others on the forum. And I have learned to listen to my bodies messages (responses) which are now real, pertinent, loud and clear. They were non-existant at first. But to do that I've had to slow way down on the changes and just do one at a time, which is difficult and annoying to me. But I've finally understood that each change has real effects that take my body time to adjust to.

                            Paleobird, who is now fully carnivore, has been working toward that for over 5 years. A good lesson in patience. I've noticed a good number of members here who jump into VLC (50 - 100 g), have bad responses, and forever after spout the more starch advice. I often think that their body just did not have time to adjust or the change was too great for adjustment and instead induced more problems.
                            Last edited by Cryptocode; 06-19-2013, 01:04 PM.
                            "When the search for truth is confused with political advocacy, the pursuit of knowledge is reduced to the quest for power." - Alston Chase

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mikee5 View Post
                              I'm not a Primal skeptic, I truly believe in Primal but I don't support the idea of Mark advocating a lower carbohydrate intake and, in my opinion, the misleading and flawed 'carbohydrate curve'.

                              Ketosis and low carbohydrate dieting is for people with very damaged metabolisms who have been consuming processed foods excessively for prolonged periods of time, i.e. older folk, morbidly obese individuals, those who are extremely metobically resistant etc. and only for a temporary period of time, where one can successfully gradually increase carbohydrate consumption.

                              There are so many health risks associated with low carb, it affects your hormones, thyroid, develops insulin resistence etc. the VLC folk here can disagree with me and that's fine, but the experiences of some who have restricted carbohydrates for a prologned period of time is enough to prove anybody wrong. Young people especially need to avoid glucose deprivation, it will destroy your organs, destroy hormone balance, rapid aging, fatigue, overall poor mental clarity and uncertainty.

                              What young man eats green vegetables and limited fruit for glucose? Bake some sweet potato (I prefer white) fries, eat bananas, eat white rice. These are all good sources of starch and provide immediate energy. Eat berries, apples, grapes, oranges etc. you NEED sugar. Just enjoy Primal foods overall. I seriously suggest you increase your carbohydrates immediately before your blood sugar drops too low with all that protein and no sugar or starch.

                              I better stop before I get attacked lolz. I am not diagnosing you, I'm not a nutritionist, just speaking from experience and research. Please forget the idea of ketosis. Primal isn't a meat-only diet. Vegetables and fruits are more nutritious, starch and sugar works wonders for energy and protein builds strength and also provides energy. Fat is great for satiation. If you want to know more and need help you can always message me.
                              OK, got it. I won't eat white rice and if I can I'll avoid starches in favour of tons of fruit, but I'll follow your advice on carbs. Though I'm really not sure that very low carb is so dangerous anyway, but fruit is very nutritive so...

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